The long ones penetrated a bit better but not much. The new targets let all of them stick in. My bow is about 35#. The new targets have a very strong skin and the wrapping behind the point would hang up on the it when I was removing the arrows. I turned a little notch in the arrow shaft so the thread would be flush with the surface. CA and sandpaper make it real smooth and the arrows come out one-handed. I'm a little concerned that the notch will compromise the shaft strength but there is still 2" of nail inside. So far so good.