Ouch, that reminds me that I used to work for a tree trimming service, but I didn't build bows then, just used my glassed martin back then:( hmm, you've got me thinking now, I've got an apricot and an apple tree that border my land, I've already got permission to trim them since the neighbor doesn't care about em, I'm so all over those trees in the morning, can't believe I hadn't checked em out yet.. So I just left the shop after trying to get the back to one layer on my BL stave, it was a lot harder than I had estimated. Tough to tell the dif rings apart, but the belly I can tell really easy. Any advice? I'm seriously thinking about having a 1X3/4 hole mid limb where my giant knot is. If I make it wide enough to compensate it should work ehh? you all have a fine navy day