pellet bow test - new bow - new pics

[leehongyi]

Ancient chinese and some beijing people play this kind of pellet bows. But they use thumb finger release so as to prevent hitting at grip.

[GlisGlis]

@leehongyi

But they use thumb finger release so as to prevent hitting at grip.

I dont quite get it. could you please explain ?

I've found another video
The bow is not well tillered but you can see detail of the grip on the stone
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_IauSNXTJIA

[fiddler49]

The ball shooting arrow is much less complicated than your rig and can be completely primitive. My best one uses a raw hide funnel and slide, leather moose lace and rabbit skin drag. The slide stop at the arrow nock end can be sinew and pitch holding the funnel and slide stop in place. In the summer I use a green leaf as over shot wading. I keep the arrow in my quiver year round to whack pesky moose that chase my dog and I out on the archery range. It's a great moose gooser!!! Plus it will kill a grouse or squirrel easily and you don't risk putting your eye out when the ball bounces off your bow handle!  cheers fiddler49

[leehongyi]

somewhat like shooting an asian bow

[GlisGlis]

@ leehongyi
thankyou man
If you are referring to the pinch on the pellet made by the thumb and one or 2 fingers yes!. This seems to be the way to go

@Fiddler
Nothing wrong with your setup.
It's a nice concept and a good realisation. No doubt it can be made with primitive tools and materials and that it'll deliver a good shot.
Maybe in a primitive/survival situation it could be a little bit more complex to build
But anyway I guess i'd like to stick with historically and geographically existing bows

So here is setup number 3. the one I'm shooting today.
Facts:
- the bow is shorter (40'')and lighter (#15-18 )
- following the above video the string is a continous loop with no eylets specifically made for the nocks. that prevent string twisting
- pouch is really smaller (little more than half inch)
- shooted only corks. still have to test with stones (but I dont expect significant differences)
- tryed 2 different pinch on the pellets. one with thumb and finger on the sides of the pellets and one pinching top and bottom.

Impressions
- far easer to shoot than both previous versions. Mostly due probably to lighter draw.
- with a lighter draw wrist twist is almost easy and the pellets hitting bow are almost completly gone. I draw, start to twist the bow and as i release the bow gets out of line of aim.
- pinching the pellet top and bottom seems to guarantee greater accuracy but you cant use double fingers. that is tiring after many shots
- the deeper handle also made easier to twist the bow

Let me convince you.
TRY THIS AT HOME !!!  (just wait your wife is out) 

[GlisGlis]

Will add the images to have a visual reference:

Brazil - known as bodoque
basically a flatbow similar to seneca bows with a glued on handle
pouch is H shaped

[GlisGlis]

Brazil again

[GlisGlis]

Pellet bows from Thailand

[GlisGlis]

Italy (1700) - hunting birds in Venetian lagoon

note it's a single string bow

[GlisGlis]

First one is from Paraguay
Second is from Siam
the last is from Afghanistan -  Panjshir Valley - strings made from guts and cloth for the pouch

I find really amazing how the same concept evolved in different ways in remote countries

[GlisGlis]

Chinese ?
interesting part is the string is partially made from bamboo - pouch too is made out of a piece of boo
I guess that prevent unwanted twisting that will occur with a single string

[GlisGlis]

And now my last test.
New bow new string

51'' black locust 28-30 ish # - small layer of sapwood backed with heavy paper (another test  ) coconut tip overlays
very short handle. had to increase the size gluing some more wood as it was too narrow
you can see some wine cork i use to train my twist wrist technique.

I'm really satisfied with this one
length seems very good for this type of shooting
I finally nailed the wrist trick and now no more shooting the handle occur.
Another 50 - 100 corks shooting then I'll definitly switch to more aggressive pellets 
One thing that improved greatly the accuracy was the pellet grip.
Now i hold the pellet with the thumb below and the index and middle on top of the pellet.
All fingers pass between the two strings.
Index and middle have to stay partially one on top of the other to fit the small strings width.
That kind of grip eliminates unwanted twist

When (not if    ) you'll try it feel free to continue this thread to keep all information grouped.

[Joec123able]

Would like to try something like this. Doesn't the pellet just hit the handle tho?

[GlisGlis]

Would like to try something like this. Doesn't the pellet just hit the handle tho?

yes there's the risk
take 2 minutes to read previous posts. There are at least 2 methods to avoid it

[GlisGlis]

pellet use by the Kuki tribes of assam
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ax985H0BrjA

and a modern video where you can see the wrist rotation
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ga-UiD_0rQ