Bubby ya showing off maybe a little, thought some of you mint like to see the buck not just hear. I think that is fair advice guess I haven't give much thought to it. nclonghunter I'm not sure how deep I want to get in to this, though I am working on an elk tine powder horn and the hide off that buck I plan to eventually turn in to a possible bag. As far as the hunt goes it is not till October mid to late probably time to make both, Oregon's not that far from Colorado and you'd be welcome in my camp.