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Offline Springbuck

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Re: crack across knot
« Reply #15 on: December 02, 2014, 01:51:16 pm »
what about a rawhide patch with a snake skin over it so you don't see it?

I make elm saplings with knots and lumps on the back into flatbows and mollies, probably more than any other type of wood or bow, and I know this problem well.   You probably know why, but to cover it thurougjly, the issue is that the lump is narrower AND stiffer than the limb around it would be (due to thickness).

  In the future, try to make that highest point of the bump (I usually have 5-8 on each limb) not bend.  It's a tad tricky, because you need the flats between bumps anto bend, and you need as much limb as you can get bending, so you kind of have to fade the bend in and out at every knot, and as close to the knot as you can get.  BUt your crack happened because the little peak just couldn't take the strain.  (It's one of those nipple looking knots with a small, dark branch smaller than a pencil, isn't it?)  Cool?  So, if it doesn't bend there, you are safe.  If it does bend as much as the rest of the limb, or even less, it can be in danger.

  NEVER sand a crack down, or or level a bump on the back of a bow.    Rawhide stretches too much for a patch like this, and so does sinew, unless you put a LOT on.  Linen cloth is your best bet.  If you patch with linen, DO level the knot or at least smooth it.  Use Titebond II or III.  Add like a 2" long patch across the whole limb, and make sure the edges fray out lengthwise as you lay it down.  Let it partly dry, and add a second longer patch, at least 3-4" over the first patch.  Smooth it out and let it dry.  When dry, retiller, but keep your draws short, just enough to check it.  Then, using TB or QUALITY superglue (not dollarstore stuff) wrap over your whole patch with small diameter string or thread.  Lots of surface area contact between patch and wraop, and lots of glue.

  THIS WILL USUALLY WORK JUST FINE.  But don't be surprised if it doesn't.  I have bows I gave away maybe 8 years ago going strong with this treatment, but some of them don't get shot much.  i just finished doing this on a black locust bow that had a funny diagonal hollow dip on the back I wanted to reinforce.  It works, but not every time.  This is my closest approximation to Baker's method of using raw linen.  IF the bow breaks, elm's toughness usually allows the rings mid way through the limb thickness to stay intact and the bow will fold rather than snap and hit you.

 Good luck.

Offline bradsmith2010

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Re: crack across knot
« Reply #16 on: December 02, 2014, 01:55:59 pm »
i think sinew is stronger than rawhide 

Offline Pat B

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Re: crack across knot
« Reply #17 on: December 02, 2014, 04:06:16 pm »
I wouldn't waste a snake skin on it. Save that for a another bow.
Make the most of all that comes and the least of all that goes!    Pat Brennan  Brevard, NC

Offline Lee Lobbestael

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Re: crack across knot
« Reply #18 on: December 02, 2014, 04:12:37 pm »
Thanks guys. Springbuck thanks for the in-depth response. What about a linen (fake) snake skin? I heard those have some backing properties

Offline Springbuck

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Re: crack across knot
« Reply #19 on: December 02, 2014, 05:07:58 pm »
i think sinew is stronger than rawhide

 Sinew is stronger than rawhide, almost certainly.  And he could shorten the bow and sinew the whole thing, letting it dry into reflex.   The problem is not its breaking strength.  It is that sinew and rawhide both stretch like a rubber band about 10 % of it's length.  That much stretch will allow the wood fibers under the patch (where we already have a crack or leveled knot) to experience enough tensile force to give up, breaking the bow under the patch. 

 Vegetable fibers will stretch 1-2%.  Slightly more for fabric.  Elm wood fibers stretch about like hemp or linen, so a linen patch is in order.  The first linen layer makes the top layer feel more tension than the first layer does, which is more than the surface of the wood does.

The trick, the hard part, is getting the patch to hold without linen backing the whole bow.  And sometimes they don't.    :-(

 A long as it is linen cloth, made from flax, or something like hemp, you can use it, so if you have some printed stuff, use it.  Just make sure it isn't nylon or something.  Plain linen is also a cool as heck blank canvas for painting/staining geometric patterns on.

 Don't waste a real snakeskin on a knobby, crowned piece of elm, though.
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