I know Bill. I just don't want to learn to knap. Plus, Im not sold on stone in my heart. I know millions of pounds of meat has been harvested with stone, and still does. But I have to be 110% confident in my equipment. As far as trade points go. I haven't found many that weigh up and stay sharp. Clint gave me some real nice trade points, but they are very light. I may get away with them with these heavy fore shafts though? Never thought of that.