Seminole, I know your damn good with all the expertise you put into any point that looks as though it should go into an art gallery. My question. On the first point posted could you have gotten that point to come out the same without the heat treating. I mean, is there a greater possibility of it snapping cause of the length and being so thin without being heat treated. Your work is awesome, probably for you it would have taken a little longer with the same results but, for us that struggle to change the debige ratio more in our favor as we go , tell me.