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Offline Badly Bent

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Re: Flight bow in progress
« Reply #15 on: June 18, 2014, 10:09:10 pm »
Great looking design, just has the look of a bow holding good arrow cast and smooth draw. I'm gonna watch this to see what's next, thanks for posting it.
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Re: Flight bow in progress
« Reply #16 on: June 19, 2014, 05:35:00 am »
Looking good Steve,looking forward to seeing more. :)
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Re: Flight bow in progress
« Reply #17 on: June 19, 2014, 07:04:34 am »
I think ya have just enough..as long as ya don't crowd your tiller too much n got good materials it should hold...I also made a 55.5" R/D stiff handle osage selfbow with a shelf cut in pulling 44@26" n its only 16.9 ounces mass...and its still shooting yet a year and a half later

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Re: Flight bow in progress
« Reply #18 on: June 19, 2014, 07:17:06 am »
  I agree with you, on a shorter bow no real need to crowd the tiller. Barring a screw up on my part I should be ok.

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Re: Flight bow in progress
« Reply #19 on: June 19, 2014, 10:08:08 am »
Looking good! Wish you the best, Badger. Jawge
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Re: Flight bow in progress
« Reply #20 on: June 19, 2014, 12:32:24 pm »
          Well she finished out quickly this morning, waiting for someone to photo full draw pics. Like to share a couple of tips here that can be helpful to anyone even experienced bowyers. Knowing when to brace a bow can be a little iffy sometimes, especially reflexed bows or recurves. It really doesn't have to be. When I braced the bow last night it was pulling 50#@20" on the long string. After bracing this morning I put it back on the scale and it measures the same braced as unbraced. Of course bracing a bow adds a lot of stress that an unbraced bow is not experiencing so once it is excersized I expect to loose a few pounds just to wood compression. As expected this happened. I lost 3/4" of my reflex and about 2 1/2# draw weight just in compression losses to the wood. I now have 2 3/4 reflex and expect that to drop to about 2 1/4" by the time I shoot it in. 2" was my goal.

         As you can see in this pic I had an unexpected surprise, a little black dot developed into a hole that goes almost 1/3 the way across the limb. I decided not to touch that area anymore but it does leave me with some lack of confidence in the bow. Hopefully I cna test the bow out today if the sunshine cooperates, my chrono doesn't seem to accurate in bright sunlight even with the diffusers, I may have to wait till morning when it is overcast. 245 fps with 200 grain arrow is the goal.

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Re: Flight bow in progress
« Reply #21 on: June 19, 2014, 12:37:44 pm »
Ouchy! I don't like that either Steve. Better wear glasses yanking on it. I hate to take a static to the eye.
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Re: Flight bow in progress
« Reply #22 on: June 19, 2014, 12:49:49 pm »
    Yep Chris, I wasn't too happy about that knot. Another concern I have is that the belly and boo back together measure just a little over 9/16 thick. On a 64" bow I like the thickness to be at least 3/4" before I consider even cutting in a shelf. I know on a shorter bow I can go a little thinner but not sure how much before the handle pops off. So once I cut in the shelf I will have to test that out. Not out of the woods till the bow is finsished and shot in. Either way I feel the bow is a success and I plan to build another with a few minor changes. I can see why Mark likes this design so much, the force draw is phenominal! It builds weight right at the start and then falls off about 15" into the draw. I have high hopes for this one or one very similar.

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Re: Flight bow in progress
« Reply #23 on: June 19, 2014, 01:16:23 pm »
Could you just narrow the pass up more rather than cut a shelf in? Maybe that would keep it rigid and get you closer to center anyway.
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Re: Flight bow in progress
« Reply #24 on: June 19, 2014, 01:25:11 pm »
Could you just narrow the pass up more rather than cut a shelf in? Maybe that would keep it rigid and get you closer to center anyway.

  I htought about that but the little flight arrows are real narrow and stiff, best shot right at center if possible, so I need to get as close as I can. I cut it about 1/16 before center, if it lets go I will just use a power lam in the next bow. To stay in the simple composite class I have to keep my built up handle area within about 12" I think, they don't specify where the building up of the handle has to happen so a power lam would be acceptable.

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Re: Flight bow in progress
« Reply #25 on: June 19, 2014, 02:53:57 pm »
245 fps!  Wow

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Re: Flight bow in progress
« Reply #26 on: June 19, 2014, 04:02:41 pm »
Looking good! I'm waiting in anticipation for the chrono results  >:D
I haven't posted any of them for a while but i'm still on the r/d static trip. For me this is close to if not the fastest design for a wood bow. My black locust one is still pushing 195 - 200fps at 8.5 gpp, it's dropped a bit but not much. For quite a while I tried to make just plain reflexed statics but the wood loses too much in compression by full draw. Deflex is good!

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Re: Flight bow in progress
« Reply #27 on: June 19, 2014, 05:33:41 pm »
  Well, I went to test it out and the weight had come back up. I get this quite often on reflexed bows just off the tiller tree then rested. Hitting 51#@21" so I need to tiller it back down to 24" and 50#. I thought I would run just one quick short draw test on the chrono to see how the efficiency was looking, I drew it about 17" and hit 195 with a light arrow so it is on track to do what i am looking for. Knock sheered off on first shot so I will repair that and drop the weight a bit. My electronic scale might be more accurate than the hanging scale that I tested with while tillering so that might be part of the weight gain.

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Re: Flight bow in progress
« Reply #28 on: June 19, 2014, 06:12:40 pm »
That's pretty good Steve.  You probably lost a bit of speed when the nock failed
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Re: Flight bow in progress
« Reply #29 on: June 20, 2014, 03:56:57 am »
The bow looks like it has some great potential for blowing past the 400 yard line.

Don't forget you can go down to a 23" arrow in the primitive flight divisions, so you don't have to take it all the way to 24" if it feels like it is right on the edge.

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