Questions: Flipping Tips, especially on Longer Bows

[zenart]

I love the aesthetics of a flipped tip bow with nice sinuous lines and the string angle is more balanced looking.

Do you guys think flipping the tips on longer bows, say 67 or 68" and longer, causes more risk of limb twist than it's worth?

What would be a range of less risky or more risky amount of bend?

Are there more susceptible woods than others as far as flipped tip limb twist?

And, what kind of actual performance gain is accomplished? or do you just get a smoother draw with less stack because of string angle?

[Pappy]

 From my experience ,Smoother draw/less stack /adds a little weight and maybe a little faster. I do most of mine. Just done a 68 and and never had a problem with limb twist,just have to be careful when bending to keep everything aligned. I usuall do it after the bow in tillered out to 20 or so.
 Pappy

[Will H]

I'll second what Pappy said.

[zenart]

Thanks Pappy & Will. Exactly the answer I'm lookin' for.    Makes sense to heat 'em midway thru tiller, hadn't thought of that.

[Pappy]

You can do it to start with,just make it harder to get it braces the first time and very easy to miss weight because of the early string tension.  It's like working
a high reflex stave it can really fool you quick.
 Pappy

[Badger]

  Ron, are you talking flipping the tips or recurving? Long recurves can be kind of a pain to keep in line, I like to flip the tips on mine as well but usually keep my recurves under 64'. Also the width of the bow makes a difference. Longer bows tend to be narrower. In my opinion lighter woods like maple and pecan for instance will be made wider and work a little better in longer recurves than a heavy dense wood that will be made narrow.

[George Tsoukalas]

"Flipping the tips"

I'm confused. I hear that a lot.

Does that mean adding reflex to the last 8 inches or so? That used to be called adding some semi recurves.

Does it mean recurving? Then there is a static recurve vs a working recurve.

Either one of those 3 will make for a smoother draw.

Yesterday, I heard the term 5 curve bow at a shoot in reference to a Japanese Yumi bow. The practitioner agreed. I think he was being polite. I should try that.

I've been making and breaking bows since '89 ish (not counting the bent sticks I made when I was a kid). I've been reading and dreaming about making bows since I was 10 years old (I'm 65). Never once read about a 5 curve bow. I've read about gull wing bows and Yumi bows and know what those are. I've some some too.

We seem to be inventing new terms which can be confusing to this old man.

Am I  the only one confused?

Don't mind me, Zenart. Just having fun. Most on here know that and ignore me.

Jawge

[Pappy]

Last 6 or 8 inches Jawge,and we would never ignore you.  I try and make mine some what static with just a little movement toward the very end of the draw.  Don't know why I call it flipping the tips,guess just came up with it,cause i don't read a lot and just what I thought it was.
   Pappy

[George Tsoukalas]

Pap, you use it because many do now. Gotta go. My wife is yapping at me to prune the bushes now. She wants to help. Bless her heart. This should be fun:) Jawge

[Pappy]

Ya I always love it when mine wants to help. Seems I do it to suite her,unless she is helping ,then I can't seem to do it right.
 Pappy

[PatM]

It is a recently invented term to describe as low degree of recurving.  People love to come up with new cutesy terms these days.
 It's like when you are exercising and run out of energy or "steam".   Nope, that's "bonking" now.

[George Tsoukalas]

PatM and Pap,

We use to use "bonking" to refer to something else.

When we were "steamed" we were mad.

BTW my wife and I are still married. LOL. Most of the pruning is done.

We are sitting on the porch eating watermelon.

Might plane some shafts later after my nap.

It's fun to watch the 3 Stooges and see how the language has changed.

Gotta beat it now.

Jawge

[Aaron H]

We use to use "bonking" to refer to something else.

[blackhawk]

Gotta beat it now.

Jawge

     ..waaaay to much info there jawge...do u know what that means to a younger generation    .....    

This threads getting derailed...what's the question again?  Lol

[Denham Archer]

PatM and Pap,

We use to use "bonking" to refer to something else.

When we were "steamed" we were mad.

BTW my wife and I are still married. LOL. Most of the pruning is done.

We are sitting on the porch eating watermelon.

Might plane some shafts later after my nap.

It's fun to watch the 3 Stooges and see how the language has changed.

Gotta beat it now.

Jawge

Fine bowyer AND a Stooges fan!  I've learned so much from your website.  Thank you.