Not trying to hijack your thread but since we're talking about mulberry I have few questions for Pat or anyone else who might know. Are paper mulberry and white mulberry the same tree? If not, how do you tell the difference. Also how do you tell difference in white and red mulberry? Ive always thought the white mulberry trees have the big leave(like 5" across) and red mulberry have the smaller leaves but I could be wrong about that. We have quite a few mulberry trees around here but I never know what kind they are.