While we are on the subject, can someone suggest a good serving jig? I got a cheap plastic one from bohning or something, some crap made in china, and it is horrible, and I have another one I made from a metal thing from home depot. It kinda sucks too. Also, I buy brownell nylon #4, but it aggravates me how they put that plastic on the end. Because it effects the turning in the jig. I once bought some serving off of ebay, which was advertized as nylon #4, but it didn't have the paper, it has nothing but little bumps on each end of the spool, which worked great!. But I don't remember what seller it was, and I don't know what serving it actually was. Or if I just bought something I thought was nylon #4 on accident. But it worked great, I wish I knew what serving it was...