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Offline Zuma

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Raw clay for abo pottery (build along)
« on: April 28, 2014, 11:18:58 pm »
Last fall I was visiting a good friend Scott Silsby at his property
where he had a well drilling failure.
Cavernous limestone filled with clay?
The driller pumped out tons of clay trying in vane to clear the well.
My intent here is to clean the clay of impurities by soaking it in
water and straining out the impurities. Evaporate the water until
the clay is workable. Then prep the clay and build a pot.
Maybe even fire it in an open pit. This process will take time.
Advice and questions invited.
Scott saved a lot of the clay and it dried into huge chunks laced with limestone drilling's.
It looks like this at present.
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Re: Raw clay for abo pottery (build along)
« Reply #1 on: April 29, 2014, 04:03:55 am »
Rehydrate stir in 5 gal bucket wait 2 minutes then pour off clay into another bucket. The stones will fall to the bottom.
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Re: Raw clay for abo pottery (build along)
« Reply #2 on: April 30, 2014, 11:36:53 am »
Rehydrate stir in 5 gal bucket wait 2 minutes then pour off clay into another bucket. The stones will fall to the bottom.
Thanks iowa,
I wish is was that easy. In most cases I guess it would be.
This stuff was like concrete. Due to the drilling's I suppose.
I had to use a crowbar and huge knife to break it down in the water.
A lot of the organics and light flakes I strained out.
I have been pouring off the water as it clears at the top of the buckets.
I should have nice clean clay soon. Well if it ever stops raining and evaporation kicks in.
Zuma
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Re: Raw clay for abo pottery (build along)
« Reply #3 on: April 30, 2014, 12:41:54 pm »
I will post a link to my process
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Re: Raw clay for abo pottery (build along)
« Reply #4 on: May 01, 2014, 01:26:28 pm »
Well I got out my trusty coffee cup and panned some of the tailing's.
I was not surprised to find little magnetite and quartz. Very little.
There was a little green material and two jasper chips.
The jasper was most likely from the surface where the clay hardened on.
I have three buckets with very little clear water in them.
I wish I had wider, shallower open containers to dehydrate in.
Any ideas?
Zuma
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Re: Raw clay for abo pottery (build along)
« Reply #5 on: May 01, 2014, 02:30:28 pm »
Thanks for the build-along.  I have some clay in a "cut in" on my driveway.  It keeps seeping onto the gravel.  I need to dig it out any way.  So I've been thinking of collecting it..
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Re: Raw clay for abo pottery (build along)
« Reply #6 on: May 01, 2014, 11:07:26 pm »
here is a link to my project. I hope that this info will help
http://www.primitivearcher.com/smf/index.php/topic,33703.30.html
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« Reply #7 on: May 02, 2014, 10:34:57 am »
I don't know much about this but wouldn't limestone be a no-no for firing. It's going to turn to lime in the kiln and will then slake if the pottery ever gets wet. I know you're getting the big particles out but won't there be powdered limestone in there too??
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Re: Raw clay for abo pottery (build along)
« Reply #8 on: May 02, 2014, 03:19:41 pm »
Limestone was sometimes added to clay by Native American potters to temper clay. The issue is not about the limestone, but rather its oxidation. If fired in a reduced atmosphere those issues won't be issues.
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Re: Raw clay for abo pottery (build along)
« Reply #9 on: May 02, 2014, 10:33:36 pm »
hedge,
I hope you get some of that clay and build ya a pot or something.
Nothing like it.
bow and Don,
I'll attach a pic of what happens after you fire clay with limestone chunks.
Of course the pot and pipe were fired in a kill.
From what you are saying iowabow, is that happened because there is no reduction in a kill unless it is introduced. In a wood fire you have total reduction.
(burning organic material).
This is cool to know. Thanks for the participation.
Oh it wasn't until the first rainy day that the pots and pipes started to react like a pop corn popper.
Zuma
PS the pipe and pot were built back in 86 lol
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Re: Raw clay for abo pottery (build along)
« Reply #10 on: May 02, 2014, 11:49:45 pm »
Hi iowabow,
Thanks
I read your link (part 2) mostly about adding burnt shell.
Not necessary for grog but for plasticity and shrinkage.
Do you think shrinkage does harm to a pot (stress or the like) ?
I wonder if my clay has enough ground limestone to do the same?
I have an extensive pottery collection. Most grog's are crushed quartz.
Some early ware with plant fiber, steatite and quite a bit of shell (mostly coastal finds) although some here on the Shenandoah use mussel shell.
zuma
edited the stress part
« Last Edit: May 03, 2014, 11:34:08 am by Zuma »
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Re: Raw clay for abo pottery (build along)
« Reply #11 on: May 04, 2014, 01:52:21 am »
Without having had a closer look, and with only limited experience, but I would say you do not need to filter that clay. If it comes from deep in the ground, it will not contain no debris of considerable size. Like roots or the like. Single pieces and larger rocks will also come out while wedging. Filtering is lots of work. Unless I want a super smooth surface, I dont.

I've also seen people filter the dry, crushed clay, but do this outside. Clay is easy to crush once it has frozen thoroughly and thawed again, then dried.

If you have problems with hard clay, simply soak it for a longer time. 7 to 10 days will make for soft clay usually even if it was dried completely.

for tempura, I have tried sand, crushed pottery and horse manure. The manure gives best workability and will result in porous, light, and heat tolerant pots. The sand makes for dense, heavy pottery, try out how much is good. Crushed pottery is probably ideal for many purposes, but it is so much work to crush and sieve the stuff.
I also got away with non-tempered clay more often than not.

Do dehydrate my clay, I fill it in a cotton bag (got it in hte army for the laundry) and hang it in a tree, the water will drip out within a couple of days. Professional potters seem too use plaster plates, thick, dense fabric will do as well.

Also, I would recommend processing quite a bit of clay at a time, as the process is messy and the product stores well  ;)
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Re: Raw clay for abo pottery (build along)
« Reply #12 on: May 04, 2014, 08:03:37 pm »
Thanks Jodocus,
Great info.
I will be looking for some tight fabric bags. Because dehydrate is
what I need to do faster. Great idea!
Since this clay came from a well being drilled, I had no idea what was in it.
The real reason for the filtering.
I had the clay in slip form in a day or two by crushing it in the water and
filtering through a sive was easy,when pouring from bucket to bucket.
Zuma
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Re: Raw clay for abo pottery (build along)
« Reply #13 on: May 04, 2014, 10:50:00 pm »
I used a big slab of dry plaster of paris about an inch thick. Pour about a half inch of slip on it and it sucks the water out in no time. Of course then you have to wait for the plaster to dry before you can do it again.
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Re: Raw clay for abo pottery (build along)
« Reply #14 on: May 05, 2014, 12:04:25 am »
 Don,
Can you just scrape the clay up off the slab and use it to build a pot with?
Plaster is very cool material. You can mold it, sculpt it, and it dries real fast. Then you can saw it, grind it or sand it. I have made plaster molds and cast objects in them from slip, silicone and latex.
Not elaborate as the split molds they use in casting large ceramic figures etc.
I would imagine making a 2 gallon plaster box or basin would be a little pricey?
But what a great tool for drying clay.
Zuma
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