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Cornealian cherry?
« on: April 17, 2014, 04:53:30 am »
Anyone here with experiences with cornealian cherry (cornus mas)?
Suggestions on design?

Cornus mas is the hardest wood in Europe. It is super dense, doesn't swim in water.
So perhaps a good candidate for bowwood
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Re: Cornealian cherry?
« Reply #1 on: April 17, 2014, 06:39:06 am »
I'm currently working on a European dogwood/cornel (Cornus mas) longbow. In fact, it is nearly finished. I'll post some pictures when it's done.

I'm highly impressed by this bowwood. It is indeed incredibly dense and has a fine texture. I've read some posts over on PaleoPlanet where a few Eastern European bowyers have reported this as a very good bowwood. It's not easy to find a suitable stave, but it is said to be better than its cousin Cornus sanguinea which is easier to find. This wood feels like it has a very high elasticity. I can't back that up with hard evidence, unfortunately, but it just "want to become a bow", if you know what I mean. My piece is absolutely riddled with knots, but shows no signs of cracks or chrysals. Still needs shooting in, though. This wood doesn't grow very fast or big, and you're likely to find a small diameter stave of no more than 3" across. So combined with the high density and the highly crowned back, I would suggest a narrow longbow with slightly rounded belly. I've had good luck with drying the round stave with bark still on, and no drying cracks forming. However, the bark was difficult to remove once cured, and appears to have caused a discoloration of the first few rings directly underneath the bark. No fungus I think, but just some greyish discoloration for a few rings down. The wood is diffuse porous, has interlocked grain and has a very dull grain pattern. You can hardly even see the rings. So ring chasing is impossible.
I have one more stave of this wood left. I consider it a precious rarity.

Some good food for thought can be found here. And even more in this thread.
"Sonuit contento nervus ab arcu."
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Re: Cornealian cherry?
« Reply #2 on: April 17, 2014, 08:21:30 am »
I'm also working on a Dogwood Longbow. I have three Cornus Mas Trees in my area from which I can get some nice staves. Mostly like DarkSoul said, long an with a small diameter, knotty and a littly bumpy. One Stave is about 5" in diameter and I will try a flatbow.

But Cornus Mas is not the hardest wood in Europe. Hornbeam is more dense and the densest is true service tree (Sorbus domestica).

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Re: Cornealian cherry?
« Reply #3 on: April 17, 2014, 08:49:58 am »
Cornel has always been a highly regarded bow wood in Europe. Probably irrelevant which wood is the hardest.  With slight variations in individual trees it's probably a tie for the top spot.

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Re: Cornealian cherry?
« Reply #4 on: April 17, 2014, 09:33:58 am »
My Cornus mas is blooming but doesn't have any wood big enough for bows.
Make the most of all that comes and the least of all that goes!    Pat Brennan  Brevard, NC

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Re: Cornealian cherry?
« Reply #5 on: April 17, 2014, 11:05:50 am »
Uno mas? Isn't that what you say when you need another cervesa?  ;D

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Re: Cornealian cherry?
« Reply #6 on: April 17, 2014, 01:57:16 pm »
...and cornus mas is what you say when you need another dogwood.  ;)
Make the most of all that comes and the least of all that goes!    Pat Brennan  Brevard, NC

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Re: Cornealian cherry?
« Reply #7 on: April 17, 2014, 03:33:40 pm »
No mas, por favor!
Make the most of all that comes and the least of all that goes!    Pat Brennan  Brevard, NC

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Re: Cornealian cherry?
« Reply #8 on: April 17, 2014, 04:26:37 pm »
Some of you guys are obviously too often at the OKTOBERFEST !!!

A Maß is a Maß

and

mas is something complitely different! :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:


But thanks on all the info
I have cut down some staves 5 or 6 years ago and found them under my pile recently.
We will see what qualities that wood offers ...
Simon
Bavaria, Germany

Offline Shamusrobert

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Re: Cornealian cherry?
« Reply #9 on: April 17, 2014, 05:16:55 pm »
I think Druid may have made some bows from this wood.

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Re: Cornealian cherry?
« Reply #10 on: April 17, 2014, 05:42:45 pm »
Is it a hard wood like the other dogwood varieties?
Make the most of all that comes and the least of all that goes!    Pat Brennan  Brevard, NC

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Re: Cornealian cherry?
« Reply #11 on: April 17, 2014, 06:34:14 pm »
Some of you guys are obviously too often at the OKTOBERFEST !!!

A Maß is a Maß

and

mas is something complitely different! :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:


But thanks on all the info
I have cut down some staves 5 or 6 years ago and found them under my pile recently.
We will see what qualities that wood offers ...

HA! i dont even remember half of oktoberfest lol

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Re: Cornealian cherry?
« Reply #12 on: April 17, 2014, 08:48:53 pm »
Is it a hard wood like the other dogwood varieties?
It apparently really does tip the scales at 1.0 SG  at times.  Most hard Dogwood is around .70.

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Re: Cornealian cherry?
« Reply #13 on: April 17, 2014, 10:29:44 pm »
I've been chopping on some Cornus Florida. It is definitely one of the hardest trees in the woods around here.  I like working with it so far. Been getting the stave worked down with a hatchet, pleasant to work.  Wood smells vaguely of flowers to me. I am hopeful for this piece of wood, I would like it to become my hunting how for deer season.

If it's at all similar to the dogwood here, I think it'll make a good bow.

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Re: Cornealian cherry?
« Reply #14 on: April 18, 2014, 01:47:31 am »
Is it a hard wood like the other dogwood varieties?

Yes, like PatM mentioned. I did some testing with the wood: growth rings are nearly unvisible, the wood is very homogen, it can be polished like horn or ivory, it has a great amount of elasticity  -  I will start on the first in two days.


Thanks again for all input, esp. to the beer drinkers
Simon
Bavaria, Germany