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Offline DarkSoul

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Laburnum and yew wood score!
« on: March 22, 2014, 06:33:38 pm »
Just wanted to tease you all. I've gathered some fresh bow wood the past couple of weeks. I've got a very healthy stash of bow wood already, but it can't hurt to gather more wood when given the chance  ;D I just keep replenishing my stock, so I always have some dry wood to choose from.
The first log I acquired was golden chain or laburnum (Laburnum anagyroides). I found an ad on my local version of Ebay. This tree was nearly blown over by a storm a few months ago, so it had to be removed from the garden. For a small fee I could take the log. This really is my very first log of laburnum, so I'm eager to work with this wood. I've seen some beautiful bows being made from it. After gathering the necessary info from the archives of Primitive Archer and PaleoPlanet, I could make a plan on how to tackle this rare wood. Some people say it is as least as good a bow wood as yew! I've yet to find out myself, but drying the wood is the first and major obstacle to overcome. The one log I obtained was about 7" diameter and had quite a few 'bulges' in the bark. I felt a bit unsure what these bulges would be, but it seems to be nothing dramatic. The wood split remarkable easy. Maybe even too easy. I could meticulously plan where each split was running. With the help of two fellow bowyers, we managed to split one log into sufficient billets for probably five bows. I've never spliced a bow before, but I'll sure do my best with this wood. After all these years of bowyering, I finally managed to get my hands on some of this wood!


The three things wrapped in newspaper are three pairs of sister billets. Laburnum is said to be diffcult to dry. I left the bark on and wrapped the wood in a few layers of newspaper. I've not tried this technique before, but my intuition says that this paper acts as a layer of bark. It allows for some moisture exchange: more so than wrapping the wood in shrink wrap, but less than if the wood was left in the open.
I put the wood in the cold and humid shed/garage. I'll inspect it every two weeks or so, to make sure there are no drying checks or fungi.


Laburnum sure is beautiful wood! Even when it is freshly cut, unsurfaced and unfinished, it already has a very high luster.
Some of the sapwood rings are pretty thin (about 2 millimeters or so). Some of the heartwood rings are really fat, about 6 to 8 mm. All of the laburnum bows I could find,  seem to have much thinner rings. I'm not sure if thick or thin rings are desirable, but I'm sure both will make a fine bow.


The second log I obtained is English yew (Taxus baccata). This is from a fairly big tree I've been eyeballing for a long time now. It was growing in a pretty dense patch of yew trees. The canopy was relatively small, with too few healthy branches for its trunk size. To me, this shows a tree that was struggling for its life and indicates thin growth rings. To me, ring count is important in yew, but it is not essential. Any yew wood will make a fine bow, even the coarse low ring count stuff. But I've personally experienced a lot of difference in 10 rings per inch (rpi) versus 20 rpi yew wood. The difference between 20 rpi and 40 rpi is not so big, so I just tend to avoid the, what I call, typical 'garden yew' with less than 10 rpi. Anything over 10 rpi is good bow wood, anything over 30 rpi is not necessarily better than 30 rpi.
Mind you: I'm talking English yew. This is not the same as the American Pacific yew, which I've never worked with. This particular log comes from...hm...maybe 50 feet altitude. Please see my profile for my location, so you understand where my country gets its name from  ;) Even low altitude (English) yew can have a very high ring count. Although this tree did not have an exceptionally high ring count, it is still very respectable for such a tree. The thickness of the rings varies quite a bit, but is around 20 to 30 rpi. The distinct border between sapwood and heartwood is, to me, also an indicator for high quality wood.
This tree was about 15' tall before the first real branches started. That meant I could get a high yield from it, by cutting the trunk into two 6½ feet pieces. One side of the trunk was facing the sun and therefore grew more small branches. The other side was facing the dense yew grove and was nearly free of branches. However, even this side also had quite a few knots in the wood. Maybe not so many branches protruding from the bark, but still plenty of character to make some very sweet bows.
The tree was about 6" in diameter at the bottom and 5" at the top. I managed to get five staves from the lowest section of the trunk. The upper section was pretty loaded with knots on the sun-facing side. This part was totally unusable to me. Just too many branches for my liking. The side facing away from the sun was excellent and also provided me an additional two staves. A few staves have some mild twist, which should easily be removed by one steaming session. Some staves have some deflex, others a bit of reflex. But overall these staves are pretty darn perfect to me! All over 74" inches. Although I was not running short on yew staves (I have at least a dozen dry staves at this point), it feels good to have some more!  8)


Floor tiles are one feet square. Note the number of knots on the inside of the staves.




The barkside of the yew staves. Notice the low number of branches or knots on the outside. I've removed the bark from two (number 5 and 7). From the others, I only removed part of the outer flakey bark. I'm drying this wood in my bedroom and don't like these flakes of yew bark coming off for the next months to come, because that would mean a lot of hoovering  :P


Close up of the wood. Tape measure is in centimeters. The upper stave has a bit lower ringcount than the bottom stave.

I know you all like picture of bows and bow wood just as much as I do! So I hope to have inspired you to get some more wood! Show us your recent wood haul please.
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Offline WillS

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Re: Laburnum and yew wood score!
« Reply #1 on: March 22, 2014, 06:41:57 pm »
Congrats! A couple of those yew staves look superb, despite the thick sapwood. 

The Laburnum is the real prize though, I'm super jealous!  It looks absolutely stunning.  What are you planning on making with it? 

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Re: Laburnum and yew wood score!
« Reply #2 on: March 23, 2014, 12:45:40 am »
man, you know what this means...
Warbow Time!! ;D

Offline Carson (CMB)

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Re: Laburnum and yew wood score!
« Reply #3 on: March 23, 2014, 02:22:18 am »
Nice hauls. Great quality wood you have there. 
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the mono chord, the initial rune of fine art
The humanities grew out from archery as a flower from a seed
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Offline Stefan

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Re: Laburnum and yew wood score!
« Reply #4 on: March 23, 2014, 05:35:07 am »
That is some good looking wood. I love laburnum, it looks great, but it is very hard when dry.

I'm sure you' re gonna make some nice bows out of both the yew and the laburnum!

Greetings,

Stefan
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Offline Del the cat

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Re: Laburnum and yew wood score!
« Reply #5 on: March 23, 2014, 05:51:38 am »
Very nice haul  :).
I have some Laburnum which I just seasoned same as yew, pva on the ends, leave it in draughty garage.
I'd personally be wary of wrapping wood in anything... to me it looks like aperfect habitat for mold, bugs, etc
I think air movement is critical.
Del
BTW. I think we are all suiatbly teased... a feather on a string also works for me ;)
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Offline Bowman

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Re: Laburnum and yew wood score!
« Reply #6 on: March 23, 2014, 06:20:13 am »
Nice staves. You're a lucky guy. .-) I've made three bows in laburnum. It's  quality stuff.  The bows do not take set. No stringfollow. I'm impressed . I have made a very effective ELB that pulls 65# - 31". This bow has no stringfollow at all. But be careful. This stuff is very poisoned. Work outside, with safety mask and gloves. Good luck.

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Offline nathan elliot

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Re: Laburnum and yew wood score!
« Reply #7 on: March 23, 2014, 07:08:58 am »
Nice haul Jorik!! On the Laburnum toxicity I have a PDF from Kew gardens on the toxicity of Laburnum. I will try and find it and post it again. It's the bark seeds and flowers that are very toxic. The seasoned wood contains little traces of the alkaloid that causes the problems. I know of several wood carvers who sell Laburnum quakes and bowls obviously used for food and drink. As usual care needs to be taken with the dust of any wood, but the seasoned wood is fine.

Found it -

The main toxin in laburnum is cytisine, a quinolizidine alkaloid. This toxic constituent occurs mainly in Laburnum seeds and bark, but also in all parts of the plant according to Dauncey ed. 2000 from which the following information has been extracted:



Latin name: LABURNUM spp.

Common names: GOLDEN CHAIN, GOLDEN RAIN, LABURNUM

Family: Leguminosae

Category in HTA Code (1994) and (2000): B, CAUTION toxic if eaten

This taxon includes common laburnum (Laburnum anagyroides Medik.), Scotch laburnum (L. aplinum (Mill.) Bercht. and Presl.), and the hybrid between these two species, L. x watereri (Kirchn..) Dipp.

Circumstances of exposure: Common trees of gardens and parks. The fruits (pods) and seeds may be eaten in mistake for edible peas, particularly by children, and the flowers for false acacia (Robinia pseudoacacia).

Poisonous parts: All parts, particularly the bark and seeds.

Main toxins: Cytisine, a quinolizidine alkaloid.

Summary: Ingestion of Laburnum usually causes only gastrointestinal upset. Severe intoxication, which is rare, may result in neurological symptoms.

Author: Marie Pickford

Toxicity
[see Quinolizidine Alkaloids entry]

In Laburnum species, the cytisine content of the seeds is 1.5-3.0%, leaves 0.35%, and fruits 0.2% (Bruneton, 1996). It has been stated that the leaves become less toxic and the flowers and fruits more so as the season progresses (Cooper, 1974 cited in Cooper and Johnson, 1998).

Clinical effects
Ingestion: [see Quinolizidine Alkaloids entry].

Case reports
Two 10-year-old girls ate 5 and 10 fruits of Laburnum anagyroides. Both developed nausea and vomiting and were pale and tachycardic. Both were given activated charcoal and were discharged well the next day. The plant was identified by a botanist (NPIS (London) case report 98/112974).

Nine people (7 adults; 2 children aged 12 and 13) who had eaten fritters containing Laburnum anagyroides flowers developed symptoms 2-3 hours later including nausea, vomiting, abdominal pain, muscle tremors, dilated pupils and dizziness. They all underwent a gastric lavage and recovered fully within 48 hours. The flowers had been used in mistake for false acacia (Robinia pseudoacacia) to flavour the fritters. Cytisine was detected in the urine of two of the patients (Furet et al., 1986).

A 50-year-old paranoid schizophrenic died with no witnessed clinical symptoms following ingestion of Laburnum anagyroides fruits. He had also taken his normal therapeutic dose of chlorpromazine. He was found collapsed and deeply cyanosed. There was no evidence of vomiting. Ten minutes previously he was reported by a nurse to have been asleep in bed. At post-mortem examination 23 fruits closely resembling Laburnum anagyroides were found in the stomach. Toxicological analysis showed that 35-50 mg cytisine had been absorbed. The time to death following ingestion of a large quantity of a cytisine-containing plant material is unknown, but is thought to be rapid, perhaps within minutes (Richards and Stephens, 1970).



Toxin group: QUINOLIZIDINE ALKALOIDS

Toxicity:
Cytisine (also known as baptitoxine, citisine, sophorine, and ulexine (Harborne et al., 1996)) is potentially very toxic and acts in the same way as nicotine, first stimulating and then depressing the central nervous system; death may occur from respiratory paralysis (Dale and Laidlaw, 1912). Serious symptoms are rare, possibly because of the emetic effect of cytisine. The lethal dose is estimated to be 0.5 mg/kg body weight (Bramley and Goulding, 1981). In Laburnum species, the cytisine content of the seeds is 1.5-3.0%, leaves 0.35%, and fruits 0.2% (Bruneton, 1996).

Other quinolizidine alkaloids (lupanine, lupinine, anagyrine and sparteine) are present in Lupinus species. Their toxic effects are similar to those of cytisine, but not so severe. In a case of Lupinus poisoning, where lupanine was detected in the urine, increased heart rate and extrasystoles occurred (Luque Marquez et al., 1991).

Sparteine produces a dose-dependent reduction in heart rate and blood pressure in animal experiments. It possesses sodium and potassium channel blocking properties in the rat, which may account for its antiarrhythmic action (Pugsley et al., 1995). Autonomic ganglia are stimulated by small amounts and paralysed by large doses. Sparteine has little effect on the CNS, but peripherally paralyses motor nerve terminals and sympathetic ganglia as a result of a curare-like action (Reynolds, 1996).

Clinical effects:
Ingestion: These alkaloids are absorbed rapidly through all mucous membranes. Initial symptoms usually appear within 1 hour (Fuller and McClintock, 1986), and include a burning sensation in the oropharynx, nausea, vomiting, abdominal pain and occasionally diarrhoea. This can progress to headache, dizziness, confusion, dilated pupils, clammy skin, tachycardia, pyrexia, dyspnoea and drowsiness. In most cases recovery is complete in 12-24 hours.

After a large ingestion (of Laburnum) the more serious effects include hallucinations, convulsions, respiratory failure, coma and rarely death (Cooper and Johnson, 1998).

Author: Marie Pickford, Marion Cooper, Tony Johnson

Bruneton (1999) also includes a detailed review of the effects of poisoning from the seeds of Laburnum.

Cytisine itself is highly toxic (LD50­­ is 18 mg/kg intraperatoneally in mice) (Harbourne and Baxter 1993).  Harborne and Baxter (1996)  gives the  LD50 (mus, ivn) 1.3 mg/kg and LD50 (mice, orally) 101 mg/kg.

The Combined chemical dictionary list the following properties for cytisine(-)-, apparently it is soluble in water.

 
Variant   (-)-form     
     View Structure       
Chapman & Hall Number   CFX24       
CAS Registry Number   485-35-8       
Type of Compound Code   VX0920       
Molecular Formula   C11H14N2O       
Molecular Weight   190.244       
Accurate Mass   190.110613       
Percentage Composition   C 69.45%; H 7.42%; N 14.72%; O 8.41%       
Hazard and Toxicity   Highly toxic. LD50 (mus, orl) 101 mg/kg ; BERDY HAZD : LD50 (mus, ivn) 1.3 mg/kg     
Other Data   Pharmacol. active isomer     
Solubility   BERDY SOL: Sol. H2O, EtOH, C6H6; poorly sol. Et2O, hexane     
Biological Source   Alkaloid from Cytisus laburnum, many other Cytisus spp., Baptisia, Genista, Laburnum, Sophora, Thermopsis, Ammodendron, Anagyris and Euchresta spp. (Leguminosae)     
Biological Use / Importance   Shows nicotine-like CNS activity. Antiinflammatory agent. Shows psychoactive props. Has been used as respiratory stimulant in the former USSR. Common cause of poisoning of humans and animals by Cytisus laburnum     
Melting Point   Mp 155° subl.       
Optical Rotation   [α]17D -119  ( H2O  )       
Aldrich   33512-6       
Sigma   C2899     



Bisby, et al (1994) list the original academic papers that cite that cytisine is present in the stem bark, stem or the whole plant.  They are largely in obscure scientific journals so I could not follow these up to see if quantities in these plant parts are mentioned. 

Cited References:
Dauncey, E.D (ed.) 2000.  Revision of the Horticultural Trades Association Code of Practice for the labelling of potentially harmful plants.  Medical toxicology Unit Guy’s & St Thomas’ Hospital Trust and Royal Botanic Gardens, Kew. (11 February 2000, updated 14 March 2003 to include labelling requirements of the ‘2000 code,’  includes A, B, C taxa and D (label not required), and taxa not previously considered).  [Toxicity Authors: Marion Cooper and Tony Johnson, and Nicola Bates, and other Information Officers and staff of the National Poisons Information Service (London): Peter Barber, Jennifer Butler, Mark Colbridge, Grainne Cullen, Digby Green, Robie Kamanyire, Frances Northall, Marie Pickford, Elizabeth Schofield, Nicola Scott, Brian Widdop.]

Hausen,  Bjorn (1981). Woods injurious to human health: a manual. Berlin: Walter de Gruyter

Harbourne and Baxter (1993).  Phytochemical Dictionary. Taylor & Francis

Harbourne and Baxter (1996). Dictionary of Plant Toxins.  Chichester: John Wiley and Sons .

Bruneton, J. 1999, Toxic plants dangerous to humans and animal. Lavoisier, Paris, 545pp includes a detailed review of the effects of poisoning from the seeds of Laburnum

Bisby, F.A., Buckingham, J. & Harbourne, J.B. (Eds) 1994.  Phytochemical dictionary of the Leguminosae Vol 1. Plants and their constituents,  Cambridge:  Chapman & Hall

Combined Chemical Dictionary Taylor & Francis Group 2006. http://ccd.chemnetbase.com/dictionary-search/results.do?id=18420&props=&struct=&disp=
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Offline ohma2

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Re: Laburnum and yew wood score!
« Reply #8 on: March 23, 2014, 11:06:45 am »
great looking bunch of staves there it appears you did a fine job splitting them out.that fitrst log is some good loookin wood.will make a good lookin bow.

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Re: Laburnum and yew wood score!
« Reply #9 on: March 23, 2014, 01:08:03 pm »
Wow! That is quite a score! The laburnum is beautiful looking stuff.  Josh

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Re: Laburnum and yew wood score!
« Reply #10 on: March 23, 2014, 02:18:30 pm »
Thanks for the comments :)

@WillS: The yew staves are really superb. The thick sapwood doesn't bother me; it always needs thinning down here. As long as the ring density is okay and the heartwood is distinctly colored, it will make a great bow. No need to ring chase yew anyway.
I'm not sure what I want to make with all the wood. I left the wood all long enough, wide enough and thick enough to make any conceivable design. The yew will probably be turned into longbows or warbows, and the laburnum billets indicate the possibility for take-down bows.

@Stefan: the laburnum was actually a bit softer than I thought, but it is of course still wet. Once dried, I'm sure it'll be harder.

@Del: I dry most of my wood indoors, in my bedroom or the attic (which is probably even drier). I have no problem drying most woods, including freshly cut yew, this way. But I think it would be too dry for laburnum. The other possibility is the unheated shed, which is actually too moist in winter. It seems that the humid winter is about over, so the temperature will slowly be climbing and the humidity in the shed falling. The trick with wrapping the wood in newspaper is also a new test for me. I'll keep inspecting the wood every week or so, to make sure there are no cracks or fungi. So far, it's been drying for two weeks with no ill effects.

@Bowman and @Nathan:
Laburnum is indeed a toxic plant. However, I'm struggling to find any reliable information regarding the toxicity of the wood Most reports are about the seeds, fruits, flowers, bark or leaves. The wood simply seems to be ignored by scientists... That is basically the same for yew, where the wood is really understudied. I would not be surprised if the fresh laburnum is ten times more toxic than dried laburnum. The heartwood is also possibly less toxic than the sapwood. I think the danger when working with dried wood is actually pretty low, but I've yet to find reliable info about this. Wood turners make spoons and bowls of the wood all the time, so I guess they know what they are doing...
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