the navy seals are carrying the sig and it has all the features I am looking for.it fits my small hands like a glove,and has a reliable rating for ball and hollowpoints.it also has a ceracote finish over stainless steel,night sights,checkering on the front and backstrap,flat mainspring housing,hogue g10 pirana grips and a 4 and a half pound trigger pull.it also has a rail up front for lasers or lights.i believe this is the one for me.i am going to go get it after work tomarrow,but I am also going to hold more Kimbers.i will post my choice tomarrow.thank you for all of your imput.you guys are tops in my book.