just for fun no fighting allowed I just need your brian

[iowabow]

This is a post to explore  your thoughts and ideas about tools made with natural material tools to make bows.
So the rules of this post
1. no fighting
2. Looking for input on tools before the use of metals.
3. There are no bad ideas so please post them.
4. I draw the line at loin clothes and living in a hut.  Yes I will be wearing my glasses.
5. If you suggest a tool explain how it would be made. For example; stone axe... made by peck and grind using chert and sandstone.

[blackhawk]

John....you need to make it out to the flint ridge knap in...they have a museum there with all kinds of stone tools native Americans used,and more than just for the use of making bows...you also might find people n vendors with tools either authentic or made in today's age....it is the knappers mecca on this continent....that being said maybe try searching museums with native american artifacts....you might be able to find authentic tools used...I would think they would have the best examples as they relied on those tools with there lives,and perfected them to there environment for thousands of years....Tim baker also did a stone age bow in one of the tbbs but his tools were pretty crude,like preclovis crude, but it worked...lol...all ya need is a sharp spall n maybe some antler wedges etc...

[Carson (CMB)]

I recall Homer using a quartz rasp in a 1960 Berkeley Anthropology video where a a Yurok named Homer demonstrates bow-making.  It appeared very effective.  It was no random piece of quartz either, rather it was a nice long chunk about the general dimensions of a modern rasp, with a nice flat quart crystal covered surface.  Fairly coarse.  It appeared there was no real making of this tool, but more so just selecting the right piece. 

Also antler and hardwood wedges could be considered bow-making tools.  How these were made without saw blades I dont know....maybe with quartz rasps...?

[JackCrafty]

Found and interesting page recently.  The usual stuff except for the knives at the end of the article.  They look like "side scrapers" but the use wear analysis clearly shows them used as knives for cutting.

Similar artifacts have been given the folk term, "side scraper," by Texas archeologists for much of the 20th century. This technical term has no factual basis with regards to known ethnographic examples. In other words, there is no such formal tool as a side scraper. Expedient flakes were occasionally used to scrape plant materials at Hinds Cave, but these were not hafted tools nor were they used in a consistent way. ---http://www.texasbeyondhistory.net/hinds/artifacts.html

[JackCrafty]

You do realize that Amerindians were using metals for tools before they were using bows and arrows for hunting?   

[iowabow]

You do realize that Amerindians were using metals for tools before they were using bows and arrows for hunting?   

yep

[JackCrafty]

Hmmm...  Well then, you are excluding all the tools related to bow and arrow building in the Americas.

Might be interesting to see.  The study of "use wear" and reconstruction of very old tools (esp. hafted ones) is relatively new.

[iowabow]

Hmmm...  Well then, you are excluding all the tools related to bow and arrow building in the Americas.

Might be interesting to see.  The study of "use wear" and reconstruction of very old tools (esp. hafted ones) is relatively new.

nope just those made of metal

[JackCrafty]

Got it.  Cu Later... 

[iowabow]

I thought the ice mans copper axe was interesting because of how it was made. It made me wonder if it was not a variation of how a flint axe might also have been halved.

[iowabow]

Hmmm...  Well then, you are excluding all the tools related to bow and arrow building in the Americas.

Might be interesting to see.  The study of "use wear" and reconstruction of very old tools (esp. hafted ones) is relatively new.

I guess I don't think all the tools were metal or that metal was always used. So thought it would be interesting to limit it to those that are not metal.

[iowabow]

Ok I see the problem with #2 before ...metal let's say exclude metal. 

[iowabow]

Got it.  Cu Later... 

hey that's my line "Cu" later ...lol copper later

[iowabow]

I found this intresting http://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?178183-Official-Pipe-Axe-Hawk-Picture-Thread

[iowabow]

In a field not far from my home a lady found handfuls of these plus other items.  If you flint knap these are very interesting.