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Offline toomanyknots

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I always get this annoying twist in my loops with endless strings, I suspect it might be due to my string jig not being tight enough when I do the first servings before I serve the loops together. Anybody know why and maybe how I can fix this?





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Offline burchett.donald

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Re: Why do I always get this twist in my loops with endless string strings?
« Reply #1 on: December 28, 2013, 10:29:43 pm »
  I think the serving jig does that to mine...After stringing and a few shoots they seem to disappear though.
   That's just a good sign of some tight serving, good job...
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Re: Why do I always get this twist in my loops with endless string strings?
« Reply #2 on: December 28, 2013, 11:47:10 pm »
Untwist them  ::)  ;)  ;D  >:D  you might have to get the server to loosen up a bit. You want it tight but too tight gets that
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Re: Why do I always get this twist in my loops with endless string strings?
« Reply #3 on: December 29, 2013, 12:01:47 am »
It's because you are introducing some twist in the string as you wind the string off your spool and onto the jig.
 You can see this in a more dramatic form if you wind anything like an extension cord or a hose up. The loops will tend to try to figure eight.

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Re: Why do I always get this twist in my loops with endless string strings?
« Reply #4 on: December 29, 2013, 12:49:23 am »
Hmm, okee dokey. So I should probably serve the string a bit looser?
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Re: Why do I always get this twist in my loops with endless string strings?
« Reply #5 on: December 29, 2013, 02:20:13 am »
Hmm, okee dokey. So I should probably serve the string a bit looser?

Yep ;)
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Re: Why do I always get this twist in my loops with endless string strings?
« Reply #6 on: December 29, 2013, 08:25:15 am »
Ive seen plenty of purchased EL strings that had that twist. It might be slightly inherent to the style?
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Re: Why do I always get this twist in my loops with endless string strings?
« Reply #7 on: December 29, 2013, 09:06:41 am »
Hmm, okee dokey. So I should probably serve the string a bit looser?

Yep ;)

Thanks! I love when it's an easy fix,  :), thank you!
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Re: Why do I always get this twist in my loops with endless string strings?
« Reply #8 on: December 29, 2013, 10:35:15 am »
I sure wouldn't serve it looser.  You don't want it sliding around.  Your serving job in that picture looks excellent.  Are you twisting the string on your jig before you add the final serving layer?



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Re: Why do I always get this twist in my loops with endless string strings?
« Reply #9 on: December 29, 2013, 10:37:53 am »
Ah.  That's better
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Re: Why do I always get this twist in my loops with endless string strings?
« Reply #10 on: December 29, 2013, 01:17:01 pm »
Well either way I will try doing the first serving just not "as tight", maybe "looser" was a bad word choice.  :)
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 the upper part is pressed down,
 the lower part is raised up,
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 the part that has too little is increased."

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Re: Why do I always get this twist in my loops with endless string strings?
« Reply #11 on: December 29, 2013, 01:29:23 pm »
 I wouldn't change a thing... Keep it tight! Are the twists causing a problem? When I make endless loop strings and use a jig it twists every time. The cover serving is what causes mine. As the spooled jig passes each string a slight amount of twist goes in each one. when I take it off the jig the loop tries to reverse twist. But as I said before it always comes out later. I'd rather stay on the tight side...
      If you look closely you can see the strings under the cover serving already beginning to twist caused from the friction of the serving spool jig.
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Re: Why do I always get this twist in my loops with endless string strings?
« Reply #12 on: December 29, 2013, 01:42:51 pm »
I wouldn't change a thing... Keep it tight! Are the twists causing a problem? When I make endless loop strings and use a jig it twists every time. The cover serving is what causes mine. As the jig passes each string a slight amount of twist goes in each one. when I take it off the jig the loop tries to reverse twist. But as I said before it always comes out later. I'd rather stay on the tight side...

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I have had endless strings that were made with too loose of serving snap on me at the string loop while shooting because the serving shifted and the strands beneath frayed quickly. Keep it tight.

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Re: Why do I always get this twist in my loops with endless string strings?
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Re: Why do I always get this twist in my loops with endless string strings?
« Reply #14 on: December 29, 2013, 02:26:39 pm »
I've been through a lot of old endless loop strings in my day and the problem is typical in all of them. Just to double check I pulled out an extra string made by Nirk (old) for an old 60" Bear B Mag and it's twisted just like yours.
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