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Offline bow101

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Steam Bending
« on: November 13, 2013, 08:16:59 pm »
I have the sister stave of the Hawthorn roughed out today.  So far so good, Mmmmm we'll see there a couple pin knots in one limb, not sure if it will hold.  Any way what is the best way to straighten the bow with a side-ways bend, its just the one limb about 6"  Its very hard to clamp because of the shape ..? ???
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Offline TacticalFate

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Re: Steam Bending
« Reply #1 on: November 13, 2013, 08:20:40 pm »
Stick it in a fork in a tree and bend it that way   :laugh: Find something that can take the pressure of you bending it without moving, I use a roofing ladder laying on its side for tip bending, just stick the tip between the rungs and bend 'em. Maybe a heavy piece of furniture or something, be creative.

Offline Carson (CMB)

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Re: Steam Bending
« Reply #2 on: November 13, 2013, 09:25:28 pm »
If you need a limb to move 6" at the tip to get the string to line up, then I would suggest getting a good portion of that correction made in the handle area after you have it roughed out. 
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Offline JW_Halverson

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Re: Steam Bending
« Reply #3 on: November 13, 2013, 10:26:42 pm »
Carson has a good point.  You will need to move the wood less in the handle to get a dramatic change at the tip!  Leverage baby!
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Offline bow101

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Re: Steam Bending
« Reply #4 on: November 13, 2013, 11:30:16 pm »
If you need a limb to move 6" at the tip to get the string to line up, then I would suggest getting a good portion of that correction made in the handle area after you have it roughed out.


I forgot to mention the bend starts from the handle, lousy photo.
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Offline bubby

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Re: Steam Bending
« Reply #5 on: November 14, 2013, 12:11:39 am »
you can make a cut in the handle area, I can post some pics of how I do it tomorrow I'm at work now, bub
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Offline NeolithicMan

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Re: Steam Bending
« Reply #6 on: November 14, 2013, 12:36:49 am »
Im still really new to handle augmentation, but I have found it to be easier to steam and clamp a handle (especially if its non working) into the desired shape and not worry about wood cell degredation and or having the change revert back to its out of line position.

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Offline dwardo

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Re: Steam Bending
« Reply #7 on: November 14, 2013, 05:36:57 am »
If it's tough to clamp horizontally then I clamp it flat on the limb and use a spreader clamp to push from the floor up.
Makes little sense reading that back, will try find a picture!

Offline Del the cat

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Re: Steam Bending
« Reply #8 on: November 14, 2013, 06:51:22 am »
Here's a blog entry shows one way to bend the impossible...
http://bowyersdiary.blogspot.co.uk/2013/06/straightening-stick-bow.html
Ain't pretty but it is prob' the safest, most controllable way.
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Re: Steam Bending
« Reply #9 on: November 14, 2013, 09:05:49 am »
If you need a limb to move 6" at the tip to get the string to line up, then I would suggest getting a good portion of that correction made in the handle area after you have it roughed out. 

No question about it, that would be my angle as well. Steam the center 12" and bend it around, Id also over bend it by 15-20%.
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Offline bow101

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Re: Steam Bending
« Reply #10 on: November 17, 2013, 07:49:00 pm »
Thanks for the tips guys. I tried steaming 'er today did not pan out. I got some reflex out of it, thats all.  I may cut it and attach the limbs to a riser see how that works. 
   Del; your way looks really good, its something to think about......Is that the only bow you've done that to.?
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Re: Steam Bending
« Reply #11 on: November 17, 2013, 08:19:19 pm »
Thanks for the tips guys. I tried steaming 'er today did not pan out. I got some reflex out of it, thats all.  I may cut it and attach the limbs to a riser see how that works. 
   Del; your way looks really good, its something to think about......Is that the only bow you've done that to.?

How long did ya steam it ? Steam is usually magical for me
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Offline Del the cat

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Re: Steam Bending
« Reply #12 on: November 18, 2013, 04:34:35 am »
I've done tons of steaming but only ever done that handle bend trick on that one.
Thats the great thing about keeping the rubbish staves, you can experiment with them and not worry about ruining a good bit of wood.
Where possible I try to jig it up so I can steam it and then apply the bend while it's still in the steam. I use a 5L plasic container/bottle with a hole in each end to slip over the bow to keep the heat in the right place. The steam goes into the cap of the bottle, it needs a drain hole to let the condensed steam run out the bottom and the whole thing is wrapped in  insulation to keep the heat in.
I tend to save dry bending for when I'm combining it with heat treating... two birds with one stone!
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Offline bow101

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Re: Steam Bending
« Reply #13 on: November 18, 2013, 07:09:20 pm »
Thanks for the tips guys. I tried steaming 'er today did not pan out. I got some reflex out of it, thats all.  I may cut it and attach the limbs to a riser see how that works. 
   Del; your way looks really good, its something to think about......Is that the only bow you've done that to.?

How long did ya steam it ? Steam is usually magical for me


Probably not long enough, 40 min.   Gonna slice 'er in 2.......not a good stave piece, It's all about experimenting for me at this stage of the game.  ..:)
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