thanks Guy's . Marc- yeah I had found that early on and assumed that was it, but the info listed about his bows was that they cut it themselves and it was a native tree. Turns out the native peoples used it too but fell out of popularity since there are not many bow makers in history from S. FL There are details of going out and harvesting the trees here local.. lol it really is a long story..one I'll be happy to share, but I'd like to have it organized better.