I'm about to have another daughter and I have no means of getting another stave, so I just have to be diligent and maybe I can get a bow out of this, maybe not. But either way I'm enjoying myself. I'm sure u fellas are correct that it prolly isn't gonna work, but I gotta try. It's all a learning experience wether on a snakey little turd or a long nice stave, I'm sure ill find a way to mess it up! I really appreciate everyone's advice and input. Thanks again