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Offline simson

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ERC flat, cable backing 34/28 (No. 29)
« on: June 19, 2013, 04:13:18 pm »
This is the second bow coming from one stave (see: http://www.primitivearcher.com/smf/index.php/topic,40092.0.html ). This is the belly split from that stave. Tillering was a bit crazy, because of wiggles and huge holes which I let a bit stiffer. This is a very nice piece with lot of character and a wonderful colored surface. I didn't want to back it with sinew, rawhide or anything else which would cover this nice back. but the bow had only about 25#. At least I remembered the cable backings fro the Inuit bows (see drawings by Mason) and thought why not. This technique wouldleave most of the beautyful back in the natural appearance.

So, this was my first try in cable backing. I found good advice at: http://www.primitiveways.com/cordage_backed_bow.html  (thank you Dick Baugh).

Unfotunately the first try failed. I had only overlays for the string on the bow, but the cable caused tip splitting while increasing tension.







The repair was 3 additional horn plates on each tip, one overlay on the bellyside, and two in the nock notches (right word??)







The cable is prestretched B50, twisted at middle of bow and then secured with a leather strip (no knot) to prevent untwisting. It can easy be untied for changing string tension.

The cable itself is secured with 'soldier hitches' in the outer third of the limb, the inner two thirds is used for cable twisting. An additional secure is given by the natural grown grooves at the large knot area, this prevents cable slipping of the bow's back.

I played around some time to get the right knots, but now I have it and the result is very decorative and useful too. the drawweight increased to 34#.
I like this technique and will use it also on other bows ...

here are two pics from the finished bow, more  will come tomorrow




« Last Edit: December 19, 2014, 04:11:24 am by simson »
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Offline autologus

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Re: ERC flat, cable backing 34#/28"
« Reply #1 on: June 19, 2013, 04:17:32 pm »
Oh wow, that is an amazing looking bow.  I would love to see more pics of it.

Grady
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Offline steelslinger

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Re: ERC flat, cable backing 34#/28"
« Reply #2 on: June 19, 2013, 04:26:14 pm »
That's amazing!

Offline JonW

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Re: ERC flat, cable backing 34#/28"
« Reply #3 on: June 19, 2013, 04:39:23 pm »
I find cable backed bows very interesting. Good job on this one. How many strands did you use>

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Re: ERC flat, cable backing 34#/28"
« Reply #4 on: June 19, 2013, 05:27:50 pm »
I'm at a loss for words but to say you got more pictures?Way to go simson.The repair job and all.
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Re: ERC flat, cable backing 34#/28"
« Reply #5 on: June 19, 2013, 05:43:40 pm »
Wow. Markus

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Re: ERC flat, cable backing 34#/28"
« Reply #6 on: June 20, 2013, 10:13:11 am »
Ok, here come a few pics ..... and I used 14 strands of B50for the cable

bow is 60" long 34#/28"











the big knot bellyside








bellyside














here is the simple secure to prevent untwisting:
Simon
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Offline Ifrit617

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Re: ERC flat, cable backing 34#/28"
« Reply #7 on: June 20, 2013, 12:02:49 pm »
Awesome! the character in that bow is absolutely stunning.

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Offline DuBois

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Re: ERC flat, cable backing 34#/28"
« Reply #8 on: June 20, 2013, 12:25:59 pm »
That's really amazing! for some reason I love to see ERC bows, especially with character. Thanks.

Offline PaulN/KS

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Re: ERC flat, cable backing 34#/28"
« Reply #9 on: June 20, 2013, 04:01:12 pm »
WOW!
That is a work of art .
Brilliant save on an obviously difficult, but beautiful,  stave.

Offline Zion

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Re: ERC flat, cable backing 34#/28"
« Reply #10 on: June 20, 2013, 04:27:09 pm »
That is just an awesome bow!
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Offline Adam

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Re: ERC flat, cable backing 34#/28"
« Reply #11 on: June 20, 2013, 05:53:58 pm »
Wow Simpson!  I have thoroughly enjoyed seeing your previous bows but this is my favorite.  Nice work!

Offline Thesquirrelslinger

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Re: ERC flat, cable backing 34#/28"
« Reply #12 on: June 20, 2013, 07:38:15 pm »
I like cable backs, but I personally think nylon or other elastic materials(tried chained rubber bands once... that particular piece of ERC kinda blew up) work much better. linen and jute break quite often IME.
Nice bow! I love the color of ERC heartwood. Its not called Eastern Red Ceder for nothing :D
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Offline Cardboard_Duck

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Re: ERC flat, cable backing 34#/28"
« Reply #13 on: June 20, 2013, 09:20:02 pm »
Nice one!

I have a hickory Sugpiaq style that has been sitting in the corner for a while, I have no idea how to start and run the cableing. Any tips you could send my way would be appreciated. I was thinking about using artificial sinew.
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Re: ERC flat, cable backing 34#/28"
« Reply #14 on: June 20, 2013, 09:38:06 pm »
     this is very cool, thank you for showing the fix. just another way to or trick to fix a bow.

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