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Flintknapping, Reproducing, Replicating, Ethics, and Copper
« on: April 25, 2013, 08:26:41 pm »
There has been a good discussion started by Hunts with Stone's comment about flintknapping ethics in my "Flintknapping Glossary of Terms" thread.  I would like to continue this discussion here so that the "Glossary" thread stays focused on definitions.



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From Errett Callahan. Experimental knapping. Ethics in Experimental Archaeology
Along with his work in the technological aspects of the field of experimental archaeology, Callahan has worked tirelessly to promote ethical research and documentation among fellow experimental archaeologists (Callahan 1999). Modern forgeries passed off as prehistoric artifacts have been detrimental to the field. Callahan has spoken out against such practices, encouraging flint knappers around the world to sign and date all of their production. Callahan has also championed authentic and scientific reconstructions, which he defined in his article What is Experimental Archaeology? (1999), as reconstructions which are successful, functional units undertaken with the correct period tools, materials, and procedures and which are scientifically monitored. In this statement, Callahan urges other flint knappers and experimental archaeologists against using modern replica tools such as copper billets to reproduce stone tools instead of the traditional bone and stone hammers used throughout prehistory. Callahan also says in the statement that without proper documentation of the techniques and processes there is no real experiment. With Callahan at the forefront of experimental archaeology, the field of replication studies gained acceptance throughout the academic community.


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Thanks for the promotional material.  It's interesting to see who is re-inventing the wheel these days.   ::)

Experimental archaeology is nothing new.  And the field of replication studies is not limited to flintknapping.  There has been work done for decades in the fields of pottery, rock art/petroglyphs, stone carving, jewelry and ornamentation, and the list goes on.  The ethics are well established.  I agree that well made replications should be marked.  But should we also require markings on the natural pottery that is being made by members of the primitive skills community, for example?  Real scientists are not overly concerned with reproductions.  This is mainly an issue with collectors and with the people who hate collectors.

This is only my personal belief but claiming to know what the "correct" tools were, in the past, is not only arrogant but is at the root of a mentality that creates tunnel vision among the archaeological community.  For example, this type of tunnel vision has lead to countless pieces of debitage being discarded because it was considered "irrelevant" to the current knowledge of how the items were supposedly produced.  Only recently has the science of debitage analysis gained serious attention.  And if no one is looking for evidence of copper residue, who knows how long it will take for us to discover the "proper" or correct period tools?  And how do we know that meteorite iron wasn't used to produce some of the ancient artifacts? We will NEVER know this because any evidence is now decayed beyond recognition.

Edit:  One more thing.  Copper, as a naturally occurring metal that can be found on the surface, has been collected, shaped, and utilized for thousands of years in prehistory.  Only the extent of its use is unknown.  The origins of refining copper and copper ore is also another unknown but we know that the technology was around in the time of Otzi: at least a thousand years before archaeologists in Europe "knew" about it's use prior to the discovery of his copper axe.

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There is considerable debate as to whether or not copper was used by prehistoric flintknappers in the Americas.  There is evidence of copper tools being used by the Hopewell culture, like celts, but whether or not tools for flintknapping were also part of their "tool kit" is not clear.  It is also not clear how copper might have been used in flintknapping and in what time periods.  It is reasonable to assume that copper (or other metals like iron) may have used to create notches in bifaces, for example, but whether this was confined to true arrow points, like the one's made by Ishi, or earlier points as well, is up for debate.



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Regards "correct tools":  "Correct" tools for any given activity in the prehistoric past will be those tools that archeological consensus suggests were probably the tools used.  Those tool sets may change over time as more information comes to light through additional archeological discoveries or even from insights gained from experimental archeology but, that "We will NEVER know this..." ("this" being the exact tools used) does not, ipso facto, give someone the freedom to use just whatever tools they may prefer and then call it "replication".  The most serious bone of contention in flintknapping concerns the use (or not) of copper.  Yes, there is some evidence that copper may have been used occasionally in flintknapping. As Patrick pointed out in "Notes:", how much it was used, or that it was used at all, remains controversial but I have seen modern knappers defend copper as an "Abo" technique because it was available and, therefore, could have been used.  To be fair, that defense was used in an effort to stifle some born again Abo knappers who can be quite, uh, narrow minded when it comes to "proper" knapping tools and techniques, but those narrow minded Abo knappers do have a point (no pun intended).  Copper, however widespread, was never common enough to be comparable to rocks, bone or antler, and its primary use appears to have been ornamental/ceremonial; more in common with our day to day use of gold (electronics not withstanding) and, while not impossible or even difficult to produce, a person will be hard pressed to locate a set of gold tools at the local hardware store.  If you are going to replicate (replicate being defined as producing an identical article from the same material and by the same means) then you have to use the most probable tools that have been identified, and the people who do that Identifying are the archeologists.  Of course they're not always right.  It is, and always will be, a work in progress, but if you intend to use tools/techniques not identified by archeological consensus, then be prepared with compelling evidence to defend your methods.  Hammer stones, bone, antler (in most places, at least in North America), even wood, are defensible.  Copper?  Currently, not a chance, if you're replicating a particular point type.  If you are replicating a particular point and going to use copper, did the original have traces of copper residue?  If not, you're out on a limb.  As I understand it, those who authenticate original points specifically look for copper traces as a de-authenticating factor, so you're likely to remain on that limb for some time.


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Re: Flintknapping, Reproducing, Replicating, Ethics, and Copper
« Reply #1 on: April 25, 2013, 08:38:41 pm »
Newbow, in response to your post, I would argue that consensus is difficult to find.  Of course, as you said, this does not mean that we can just throw caution to the wind and use any old tool or technique when it comes to replicating.

I was going to write a definition on replicating but I have not read enough on the subject to create a "generic" definition.  I have seen the term in one or two of my sources but not much attention was given to it.  This leads me to believe that replicating is really just a fancy word for "interpreting the methods used in prehistoric lithic technology".

In the archaeological context, replicating is currently being performed by flintknappers of all skill levels.  I would argue that replicating requires the skills of expert flintknappers only, and then only those who are familiar with the particular technology and data in question with the results recorded in video, text, and photographic formats and the results made open to the public and subject to review.  In my opinion, replicating done in any other fashion is more accurately described as "learning" or "attempting" prehistoric flintknapping.
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Re: Flintknapping, Reproducing, Replicating, Ethics, and Copper
« Reply #2 on: April 25, 2013, 09:41:09 pm »
Well put jack. I have read a large Discussion on the use of knapping tools. The general theory is they used what they had available at the time period Hey global location. There are still much to be learned and being learned. Even point types and styles are debated largely and renamed. This all came about for me  as i'm learning Quartzsite working with wood. I would agree to that replicating say from casts would take an expert.

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« Reply #3 on: April 26, 2013, 01:03:36 am »
I am starting to believe copper was not important to an expert knapper back in the day. Scott and I found that it is just as fast. So speed is not an issue. The more I learn the less important copper becomes for me in the discussion.

As far as producing points and ethics go well good luck with that issue. I have lost numerous points hunting and  out at the quarry so I guess I am part of the record and it is their job to know. Everyone wants to do the right thing but when your at the creek and want to know if that rock is good you give it a wack. That flake is an artifact ...am I going to sign it ...no. I know we all have backyards full of material that is going to confuse the record but it will not be stopped.  Signing the end product is only a very small part of the record that you create when you knap. It is like only recycling the cap of a soda bottle.

I do however want to get a diamond point and sign the work
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Re: Flintknapping, Reproducing, Replicating, Ethics, and Copper
« Reply #4 on: April 26, 2013, 02:51:50 am »
Patrick, I don't disagree with your definition of replicating, as expressed in your 5:49 post.  It's essentially what I suggested.  I would add, or amend, that while only experts should be publishing the results of their replication efforts one need not be an expert to join in the exercise.  Obviously, no one is born an expert so practice is required and although they are exposed to lithics in school these days relatively few will follow up on it and very few will become experts.  But, replication isn't so much about making a point as it is about learning the skills involved, using the tools presumed to have been available to whatever period and place that is being investigated.  From that exercise, more informed opinions can be made about how much labor went into lithic production in a particular group in addition to familiarizing the student with what debitage looks like which will help in identifying possible archaeological sites in the future.  There will likely never be agreement on the subject, but I define replication as above; a point made as best the maker can using tools believed to have been used when the original was made.  Anything else, no mater how true to the original, is a replica, but was not replicated.  The reasons a person would want to replicate as opposed to make replicas aren't terribly important to the (my) definition, but they generally fall into either academic pursuits or attempts to, as best they can, identify with the peoples of the past.  Finally, I understand and appreciate your cynicism about archaeological consensus.  These days, with so much upheaval in the field, consensus on many things is, indeed, hard to come by.  That upheaval, however, does not extend to the what tools were used to make lithic implements which was the subject that prompted my original post.

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Re: Flintknapping, Reproducing, Replicating, Ethics, and Copper
« Reply #5 on: April 26, 2013, 10:02:00 am »
Great input here. It's all Quite fascinating for the modern knapper to be in a timeline set back so long ago and work in those Parameters. All the Lithic reduction done by modern knappers from beginner to expert Is attempts at replication. While signing completed projects only authenticates the maker and help set apart Distinctions Among them. IMHO there are few modern knappers working in paleo qurries and stream banks Leaving a significant mark. Although I have walked a half mile stretch of stream and saw literally hundreds of rocks that were struck. For typology there still a great amount of unrest in that field.

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« Reply #6 on: April 26, 2013, 10:04:47 am »
Newbow, the main reason I made the distinction that only experts should be involved in "replicating" is because there has to be a distinction made between abo knapping, reproducing, and replicating.  Replicating is the most restrictive and controlled form of knapping under the "experimental archaeology" umbrella. It follows that only an expert can conform those standards.  Replicating is to abo knapping as surgery is to removing a splinter.  If we do not make that distinction then the word "replicating" is on equal footing with scientifically observed abo knapping.  Replicating implies that the process is understood fully by the knapper, can be duplicated consistently (like other scientific experiments), can be explained by the knapper, and can be tweaked if needed to obtain the desired results.

To put it simply, can new people be expected to contribute knowledge to the replication of a folsum point, for example?  Of course not.  And how about creating an Eden point with noting but a hammerstone and a piece of buffalo horn?  Has there been any other tools associated with Eden poins?  Sometimes there are NO tools found in context with projectile points.  Can a beginner know what tools were probably used to make such a point?  Obviously, no.  I could go on and on.
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« Reply #7 on: April 26, 2013, 10:42:03 am »
Oh yeah, how many points have I replicated personally?  Zero (0)  Zip.  Nada.
How many techniques can I replicate?  One (1), maybe two.  I can replicate the levallois technique and maybe first stage or preliminary biface flaking.

Am I an expert?  Hell no.

But I'm working on it.   :o
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Re: Flintknapping, Reproducing, Replicating, Ethics, and Copper
« Reply #8 on: April 26, 2013, 11:01:39 am »
I just like making those wonderful works of art we call arrowheads. Beautiful & functional for those who hunt with them. I would also like to add that I would have marshmallows in my tool kit if they worked. Even though experimental archaeology is interesting, I don't practice it. Ally points have the surface scared with a fine stone. Doing that helps keep them from being passed off as archaic artifacts . Just my 2 cents, I'm enjoying the thread.
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Re: Flintknapping, Reproducing, Replicating, Ethics, and Copper
« Reply #9 on: April 26, 2013, 11:14:36 am »
other things to think about:
Some of the materials are gone i.e. mammoth
Also some thoughts need to focus on form vs function and function vs form which as not been discussed (craft vs art?).

Process or technique can be linked to function or form.

Patrick I hear ya on replication, it took me a good year to figure out paleo flaking and I cant do it right because the tools are not the same. I have just made a smaller flaker and that may shed some light but not sure yet.


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« Reply #10 on: April 26, 2013, 11:20:37 am »
I abraid the surface of all my points too.  But not to identify them as modern.  I do it because it makes me happy.  :)

Even though experimental archaeology is interesting, I don't practice it.

I try to practice it, then I have to get out the nice, soft seat cushion, the coffee, the space heater (in winter), the pastries, the duct tape gloves, and then the copper.  Good to see SOMEONE out there has the guts to admit that.  I'm in denial. ;D

 
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« Reply #11 on: April 26, 2013, 11:22:44 am »
Patrick I hear ya on replication, it took me a good year to figure out paleo flaking and I cant do it right because the tools are not the same. I have just made a smaller flaker and that may shed some light but not sure yet.

Looking forward to seeing your technique!
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« Reply #12 on: April 26, 2013, 11:22:52 am »
But, replication isn't so much about making a point

as it is about learning the skills involved, using the tools presumed to have been available to whatever period and place that is being investigated.


I cant seperate theses two above.... tools and skills may be specific to the point.
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« Reply #13 on: April 26, 2013, 11:27:18 am »
John, in your mind, what's the difference between replicating and abo knapping?
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« Reply #14 on: April 26, 2013, 11:37:49 am »
you cant (unless randomly) replicate a skill/technique if you don't know the goal.
The point is the goal and the process is a means to an end. The goal is to make a specific point that will preform in a particular way to achieve a particular goal and it has specific skills/tools utilized for its production.
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