Well, I could/t find the NPV, but ended up getting a tube of Loctite superglue gel. Made a test run w/ an end cut off a full length feather and an unsanded cane end. I checked it this morning and it seemed pretty secure, I didn't give it my all, but I did try to pull the feather off and it seemed pretty tight. I'll sand a bit on the cane to rough up the surface, and try the loctite this time. @ the archery shop they did have a cyanoacrylate ethyl glue that bods with pressure in 5 seconds, but it was $10. I went with the Loctite for $4. I'll post pics of the arrows on another thread oce they are done. Thanks for all the replys guys, dpg