Author Topic: What is this?  (Read 4346 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Hartung

  • Guest
What is this?
« on: October 26, 2007, 07:08:08 pm »
Hi,

I received this thing today. It is said to be red deer neck sinew. But it does not behave as the sinew (leg sinew) I’m used to. It’s fresh and very stretchy. I can’t pull it apart or tear it into two. It is however possible to split it lengthwise and I can see that it is composed of some fibrous material. So, does anybody know what exactly it is and is it of any use?

Thanks!

Scale is in cm.



Minuteman

  • Guest
Re: What is this?
« Reply #1 on: October 26, 2007, 09:08:09 pm »
Looks like tendon(sinew) to me....

Offline Marc St Louis

  • Administrator
  • Member
  • Posts: 7,877
  • Keep it flexible
    • Marc's Bows and Arrows
Re: What is this?
« Reply #2 on: October 26, 2007, 09:22:14 pm »
Those are no good for backing a bow. It is a tendon but not of the same composition as leg or back tendons
Home of heat-treating, Corbeil, On.  Canada

Marc@Ironwoodbowyer.com

Offline M-P

  • Member
  • Posts: 876
  • PA731115
    • Traveling Surgery
Re: What is this?
« Reply #3 on: October 26, 2007, 11:47:29 pm »
Hi,  They are probably the ligamentum nuchae from the back of the deer's neck.  These tendons act more like rubber bands than ropes.  They stretch as the animal's head is lowered to the ground and then help pull the head back up again.  I've read speculation that this neck tendon was the preferred material for Roman torsion engines.  Payne-Galway states in his Book of the Crossbow that the ligamentum nuchae was used to back the composite prods (bows) used in older crossbows, so I've always wondered why nobody ( including me ) used it to back bows.  If the stuff is so difficult to break into threads, I quess I have my answer.    Ron
"A man should make his own arrows."   Omaha proverb   

"There are three kinds of men. The one that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves."    Will Rogers

Hartung

  • Guest
Re: What is this?
« Reply #4 on: October 27, 2007, 06:30:15 am »
Ron,
You are right. It’s the Ligamentum Nuchae (http://www.ft.com.uy/es_indexbuilder.php?target=es_products-offals)
and that is not a tendon but a ligament/band. Yesterday evening I dried thin strands of that stuff. This morning I tried them: when bending the strands, they broke.

I found however a site (http://www.arbaletriers-vise.be/arba_composite.php) that states that the back of crossbows was backed with that ligament which would have a tension resistance four times that of wood (20kg/mm²) – if it was “convenablement préparé” that is “correctly prepared”.

Would be interesting to know if the author just copied from the book you mention and what is meant by correctly prepared.

Offline M-P

  • Member
  • Posts: 876
  • PA731115
    • Traveling Surgery
Re: What is this?
« Reply #5 on: October 27, 2007, 03:04:02 pm »
Hi,  As Hartung pointed out technically the ligamentun nuchae is a ligament, hence the name, but ligaments and tendons are both made of collagen of nearly the same composition.  If it attaches a muscle to a bone it's called a ligament.  If it connects two bones it's called a ligament.  The ligamentum nuchae is special in having a truly elastic function to help carry the head, yet allow the animal to graze or drink.  This implies a special structure, or alignment of the collagen fibers, but I don't remember my anatomy professors ever mentioning what that was. 
If anyone figures out how to use the stuff, I'd like to know.   Ron
"A man should make his own arrows."   Omaha proverb   

"There are three kinds of men. The one that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves."    Will Rogers

Hartung

  • Guest
Re: What is this?
« Reply #6 on: October 28, 2007, 07:15:48 am »
Ron,

I wrote a message to the Belgium Website asking for further information. I’ll report the answer.