Russ you nailed it. And I need all the help I can get lol! Hey Ken and I are supposed to take a hike at Letchworth and do some back woods knapping can't wait so he can set me strait on some Of his techniques. Also I got into that big piece of keokuk from Craig. Hammer stone really had me pissed was getting a lot of crushed platforms until I got mad and really smacked it and walla clean flakes.