thanks everybody, nice to know you like it.
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Jackcrafty: I did not have to remove anything, these grow hollow by nature. Beadman: I hope you find one, everyone that has used elderberry is delighted. They grow decent here, not trees, but big enough for many bows. I attached you a pic of one just next to my house.