Sorry , he's no where near his full draw ,but I already had him out shooting for an hour or so.He's never shot before and I think he was getting a little worse for wear.I don't think he quite understood the picture I was looking to get.Within about 15 shots ,he moved back to 20 yds and was hitting them in there pretty consistantly discounting the odd errant shot ,he was placing them within 3 " of the bull's eye.Then he shot from about 10 -15' above on the hill side@ 20 or so yards.First two shots were high of course but then he brought the remaining half dozen shots right on target. Shooting instinctive. I don't even mention different styles of aiming if they show this kind of promise without. He's hooked for sure!