Thanks guys. Yeah, I read one of his posts where he was wondering about the effectiveness of his points.... I was shooting a cane arrow with one of his points and got a pass through of sorts... My hit was a little low and the deer was about ten steps away from a tree that I was about twelve feet up.... Heart shot that came out the bottom of the chest between the front legs. I think Scott's points are as good as any I have ever seen, and the meat in my freezer is a testament to their effectiveness! Thanks again Scott. If you have ever tried to draw a bowstring with three mature does all within twelve yards of you, then you know a little something about sitting still and being patient. I didn't get a chance to move a muscle for almost fifteen minutes!