I have the dowel maker, and its nice enough for me, i just ran ceder through it and for about 13$ came up with 21 shafts(the other 3 i was supposed to get i messed up.) each of the shafts were about 62 cents per shaft which is cheaper than poplar dowels, and much straighter. JW i can make a number of shafts from the different woods with almost no bend to it at all, i would definitely be willing to trade you some fir shafts, i just need to get some money to buy the boards. Time it takes to get 9 rough un-sanded shafts all made is about 1 hr. i found it well worth the money since i generally will need at least 11/32" for my arrows. I dont have the money for a router yet so i wont worry about that, maybe later i will buy one.