Hmmmm??...i cant argue with several great minds saying the same thing...your all prob right then,and after the boo lifted the weakest point was at the knots at the reflexed area(higher stressed spot).......ahhhhh(sigh)....it just gives me another reason to dislike glue ups,although i like the looks,end results,and the performance of them.......im not done with them yet,and ill try some more.....