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Offline gmc

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Re: unfinished ERC flatbow 59" ntn. 40# @ 26"
« Reply #15 on: February 27, 2012, 08:16:32 pm »
Very nice bend on that bow.

Well done.
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Offline frankherk

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Re: unfinished ERC flatbow 59" ntn. 40# @ 26"
« Reply #16 on: February 28, 2012, 02:20:14 am »
cool looking bow! I'm new to this stuff and there is a lot that I don't know so please forgive my silly questions.  I was under the impression that erc had to be backed with something. I haven't been on here long, but I don't recall seeing one without something holding it together.  I see that you wrote that it is decrowned?  What is that?  How do you get it to hold together with what looks like a huge knot in the limb?  These may be silly questions, but I'm very curious about this.

Offline PaulN/KS

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Re: unfinished ERC flatbow 59" ntn. 40# @ 26"
« Reply #17 on: February 28, 2012, 01:44:32 pm »
Man I am liking the looks of that bow. Did you try to follow a ring when de-crowning it or just plane it flat?
Thanks for sharing the tip of treating the wood with oil and heating it. I happen to have a couple of cedar staves and some bear oil... guess I should get to work. ;)

Offline criveraville

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Re: unfinished ERC flatbow 59" ntn. 40# @ 26"
« Reply #18 on: February 28, 2012, 01:44:57 pm »
Wow Josh that looks sweet amigo ;)

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Offline Josh B

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Re: unfinished ERC flatbow 59" ntn. 40# @ 26"
« Reply #19 on: February 28, 2012, 10:41:52 pm »
Thanks!  looks like I'll be finishing this one my self.  Frank, decrowning means to flatten out the back of your bow when the crown is to high(to rounded across the back) in order to spread the tension out across more wood.  For your A-list bow woods like Osage, hickory, locust, and oak to name a few, decrowning is not only unnecessary, but reducing potential efficiency.  A high crown on those tension strong woods balances out the tension and compression forces at work in a full drawn bow.  It also prevents overpowering the belly causing set and reduces mass.  With tension weak woods like cherry, walnut, ERC and a few others, it is neccessary to spread the tension out over as much surface as possible or back with rawhide, sinew, silk or what have ya'.  Otherwise, you have a tension failure (explosion).

       With this one, most of the decrowning was pretty straight forward.  I followed a growth ring down the center for the majority of it.  You may have noticed the big knot in the upper limb.  If I had simply followed the ring over it, I would have had major grain violation.  Instead, you have to visualize how the longitudinal grain flows around the knot and follow it as close as possible.  It is the same principal as chasing a ring except for the lack of early wood contrast to guide your draw knife.  If you decide to try this practice on scrap pieces until you can train your eyes and hands to see and feel your way around the knot.  With most woods, a quick swipe with a wet rag will show if you cut through the grain or not.  In most cases, it would make more sense to simply back it with something, but for me, I like to push limits as far as I can.  It absolutely tickles me to make a bow that never should have been.

    As far as the heating grease into ERC goes, it works good.  But don't do it if you plan on backing it.  Nothing will stick to it once you've greased it up.  I hope at least some of this made since.  Sometimes I confuse myself.  Thanks again,   Josh

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Re: unfinished ERC flatbow 59" ntn. 40# @ 26"
« Reply #20 on: February 28, 2012, 11:31:55 pm »
made perfect sense doc......

Offline Josh B

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Re: unfinished ERC flatbow 59" ntn. 40# @ 26"( now finished, pics added)
« Reply #21 on: February 29, 2012, 04:22:38 pm »
Finished pics
« Last Edit: February 29, 2012, 04:57:13 pm by Gun Doc »

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Re: unfinished ERC flatbow 59" ntn. 40# @ 26"( now finished, pics added)
« Reply #22 on: February 29, 2012, 04:38:18 pm »
Nice finish Josh
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Re: unfinished ERC flatbow 59" ntn. 40# @ 26"( now finished, pics added)
« Reply #23 on: February 29, 2012, 07:09:08 pm »
Thanks Pearlie!  I just stopped off at my friend's pro-shop and ran a few through the chrono .  With 485 grain arrows, 40# @26", and 3" of deflex it still averaged in the low 140's. Not impressive by any means, but all things considered, I'm pretty happy with it.  Josh
« Last Edit: March 13, 2012, 01:49:02 pm by Gun Doc »

Offline frankherk

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Re: unfinished ERC flatbow 59" ntn. 40# @ 26"( now finished, pics added)
« Reply #24 on: March 04, 2012, 09:50:37 pm »
Thanks for the explanation Gun doc.  That looks a lot different with finish and a handle!  Very nice!

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Re: unfinished ERC flatbow 59" ntn. 40# @ 26"( now finished, pics added)
« Reply #25 on: March 05, 2012, 01:43:53 am »
Pretty neat Doc

Offline Hrothgar

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Re: unfinished ERC flatbow 59" ntn. 40# @ 26"( now finished, pics added)
« Reply #26 on: March 05, 2012, 09:42:29 am »
Nice looking bow Doc, your daughter should be happy with it.
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Re: unfinished ERC flatbow 59" ntn. 40# @ 26"( now finished, pics added)
« Reply #27 on: March 05, 2012, 10:09:24 am »
That's a mighty perty stick Doc, I'm sure she's gonna love it :)

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Re: unfinished ERC flatbow 59" ntn. 40# @ 26"( now finished, pics added)
« Reply #28 on: March 05, 2012, 03:48:06 pm »
How awesome to give her such a wonderful bow!  I'm sure you could hardly put into better keeping...

Offline Steve Milbocker

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Re: unfinished ERC flatbow 59" ntn. 40# @ 26"( now finished, pics added)
« Reply #29 on: March 05, 2012, 05:22:25 pm »
Very nice!
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