Thanks to Keenan, I was able to go out and chase rings on some osage today for the first time in over 3 years. Nothing hurts buy my fingers....lol....all 4 blisters....lol. It was a real treat for me to be able to do this again. I have to teach myself all over on the usage of the draw knife, but after 3 billets and one full length stave, things are looking better. Thank you so much Keenan. You don't know what that Stave Master meant for me, just to be able to work on staves again. I will get some pictures tomorrow of the stave master, the results and a huge pile of shavings........Thanks again Keenan.