thank's for all the kind words
warhawk ,i just work them down, start with 1/4" copper and work down 3 size's off copper then I work the edges with a ice pick filed down flat, got that from Jackcrafty's you tube video's, then a horseshoe nail flaker to notch
Tower, amen to that brother, getting my tool's together, think i want to go abo, and watching patrick and Jim winn's video's, gotta get something besides obsideion to beat on , thank's again, Bub