Hey thanks, now I just have to bear down where deer and elk are concerned. Didn't hunt tonight, but on my way to Mom's house for supper, I saw (on land I have exclusive permission to hunt) 22 elk (including one very large bull), 6 deer (2 bucks nothing huge), then on the next quarter section (also have to myself at the moment) 4 more deer. I wish these critters would follow a pattern or something, I have literally hundreds of miles of trail in a section of land, and none of them show habitual usage. I go days without seeing an animal of any kind. They must be out tonight because of the falling barometer: snow on the way; the first of the year. Suddenly feeling motivated to get out in the bush tomorrow before dawn...