Keenan, sorry it did not work out better for you and hate to hear about the slob hunters, just makes me shake my hread. Pretty cool about seeing the cat. Wish you could have been here with me for the last weekend. I really got into them and needed someone calm enough to shoot one. I completly missed a gimme shot at a full headed mature six point and later got busted at 15-20 yards by a big bull (probabbly the same bull) when I moved a bit to prepare for the shot that was seconds from being in the shooting lane, two other bulls within 40-50 yards. Winded by one and could not call the other when he could not see other elk in the hay field, he just plowed up hay with his horns and flipped it up in the air and bugled. When I decided I had a stalking opportunity to crawl up each time his head was hown, he decided to head off to the other side of the field before I could get close. I sure do need more experience at opperating in the close proximity to these awsome animals, Don't know if I will ever learn to shoot well wnen the presure is on. Good luck on your late season hunt. Kenneth