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Offline toomanyknots

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Re: Red Oak Board Bow Cook Off
« Reply #165 on: July 26, 2011, 12:04:26 am »
I think if it's a dense board it il be ok. If it's one of the less dense red oak boards, it il take alot of set. I have made somewhat of a pyramid out of a 1 1/2" wide red oak board before, I think if you leave the inner limbs full width and pyramid taper the outer half of the limbs it il take less set. Or this is what I did anyhow. That being said, I was also thinking of making a pyramid out of a 1 1/2" board from menards, LOL. Maybe flip the tips to try to reduce set...
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Re: Red Oak Board Bow Cook Off
« Reply #166 on: July 26, 2011, 12:06:03 am »
JW, Unless very long I believe 1.5" is too narrow to make a pyramid bow. If a straight taper to 1/2" tips, that's 1" at mid limb, not wide enough for the draw weight wanted at normal lengths. Unless of course you have a particularly dense piece.
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Offline toomanyknots

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Re: Red Oak Board Bow Cook Off
« Reply #167 on: July 26, 2011, 12:21:16 am »
"JW, Unless very long I believe 1.5" is too narrow to make a pyramid bow."

I agree with ryoon, I think it should be 72" at least to take low set, as it is already not wide enough to not take very much set. At least if I make one it will be around 72".

"Unless of course you have a particularly dense piece."

Red oak timber does seem to vary alot in density, sometimes it is hard for me to find a good dense piece, but it is always better to look till you find it, then settle for those light weight ones... as I have found out recently... I had two cut out to the same exact dimensions recently. One was a light weight pinkish board, a molly that came out at 30# @ 28", if that. The other one was a nice dense whiter colored piece, I still haven't done anything with it yet, it will barely bend. LOL 
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"The way of heaven is like the bending of a bow-
 the upper part is pressed down,
 the lower part is raised up,
 the part that has too much is reduced,
 the part that has too little is increased."

- Tao Te Ching, 77, A new translation by Victor H. Mair

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Re: Red Oak Board Bow Cook Off
« Reply #168 on: July 26, 2011, 12:43:03 am »
JW....there may not be a pyramid style bow in that board,but there's def a bow in it if its over 72"long and good grain. I know what id do with it. Its called either breaking or making....lol. hopefully making and sending it to the cookoff ;D
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Offline MWirwicki

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Re: Red Oak Board Bow Cook Off
« Reply #169 on: July 26, 2011, 12:44:52 am »
To make the 40-45 lbs it will probably be a little too narrow if you are making a straight pyramid bow unless, you are making a shorter bow.  If you are making a shorter straight pyramid bow, it will likely take on more set than a longer one will.  Trade-offs....

By starting the taper after mid-limb, I think chances are good that you'll make the poundage.  I would say go long, if you can.

« Last Edit: July 26, 2011, 12:56:15 am by MWirwicki »
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Re: Red Oak Board Bow Cook Off
« Reply #170 on: July 26, 2011, 12:56:53 am »
hey mwirwicki, i am not going to be able to build a bow for the cook off, i was doing some building on my house and drove a 16 penny nail into my drawing hand middle finger causing some nasty tendon and muscle damage, so im on hold shooting and building for now, at least until i heal up, best of luck for all the builders and hope whoever gets the bows enjoy them.   
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Offline MWirwicki

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Re: Red Oak Board Bow Cook Off
« Reply #171 on: July 26, 2011, 01:02:17 am »
Bummer Pesh!  Hope that heals up soon.  I know you'll go stir crazy not being able to make bow dust & shavings!  I think the deadline is around Sept 15.  Maybe if you heal by August 30, you'll still have time to make one!

Gotta think positive, you know....
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Re: Red Oak Board Bow Cook Off
« Reply #172 on: July 26, 2011, 02:57:35 pm »
Ok I have a question what is the best way to heat bend red oak I'm planning to use a heat gun with clamps and a form iv never done heat shaping to a bow so I want to do it rite



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Offline toomanyknots

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Re: Red Oak Board Bow Cook Off
« Reply #173 on: July 26, 2011, 04:05:09 pm »
I really don't have no experience heat bending red oak, let alone heat bending anything, so take that to note, but I would really go for steam to bend kin dried wood, just thinking about how dry the wood is already, thinking it might be safer. 
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"The way of heaven is like the bending of a bow-
 the upper part is pressed down,
 the lower part is raised up,
 the part that has too much is reduced,
 the part that has too little is increased."

- Tao Te Ching, 77, A new translation by Victor H. Mair

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Re: Red Oak Board Bow Cook Off
« Reply #174 on: July 26, 2011, 04:22:57 pm »
I've never heat bent a board so im no help either. Maybe steam for reflexing and boiling for recurving. I thought about reflexing my mid limbs but that's unchartered territory for me and I might just take two inches of follow and call it good enough.
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Offline Matt S.

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Re: Red Oak Board Bow Cook Off
« Reply #175 on: July 26, 2011, 04:35:32 pm »
I'm going to go out on a limb and say, from my experience, a bow from a 1x2 (1.5" wide) will be plenty wide for 40-45#. I've made several red oak bows from 1x2x6 boards that pull in this weight range or higher just fine, and I'm not super picky about the density of my red oak.
I have one bow from a 1x2x6 board that tapers immediately from the fades to 1/2" tips, so it's only 1" at midlimb. This bow pulls 55# at 28" and has under 1/2" set. I just finished another red oak "shorty" 62" long with a kind of mix of Eiffel-tower taper and mollegabet (so each working limb is only 13.5") that pulls 42# @ 28" and has about 1" set measured at the tips.
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Offline aznboi3644

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Re: Red Oak Board Bow Cook Off
« Reply #176 on: July 26, 2011, 05:48:06 pm »
Quote from: JW_Halverson on July 25, 2011, 11:28:29 pm
All I could find with decent grain locally was a 1x2, meaning it's only 1.5" wide.  I kinda want to do a pyramid bow, but I'm concerned this is too narrow.  What to you red-Okies have to say about this choice?

I'm also using 1x2s for this cook off.  You have many possibilites.  If its decently dense it will make weight easily.

Hell I made a 45lb@28" bow from a PINE 1x2.  I can't wait to finish though.  I wanna know how my noob skills stack up to you other more experienced guys here.
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Offline seabass

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Re: Red Oak Board Bow Cook Off
« Reply #177 on: July 28, 2011, 09:35:33 pm »
well guys i have another bow in the works.i am doing another like the one i broke.only this time i am leaving it 72" instead of 67" like last time.i don't think the grain run-off is going to get me this time.wish me luck.here's a pic on the tillering board.
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Offline aznboi3644

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Re: Red Oak Board Bow Cook Off
« Reply #178 on: July 29, 2011, 01:46:24 am »
I'd get mid limb bending more...looks as if most the bend is right near the handle. 
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Offline seabass

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Re: Red Oak Board Bow Cook Off
« Reply #179 on: July 29, 2011, 02:22:13 pm »
thanks aznboi.i'm working on it.
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