thanks guys. looks like it may end up in a pig. talked to the guy last nite and he's jonesing to have it hafted up. just talked to another guy about getting some onondaga and asked for a piece i can get a 10" blade from. he's gonna look at what he has and if he has it im gonna go for a bigger one. tried to get a piece from rootbeer and there was too much cortex on it. the rootbeer one is gonna be my next try at a cumberland. need to get back to that project.