thank you all for the great comments,,, for those of you wanting to try your hand at building horn composites,, all i can say is adam karpowicz, ottoman turkish bows book is an absolute must to have,,althogh it only covers the turkish bows in detail, once you have mastered that bow you can move on to other composite stlye bows,, you will of course have to do your home work and investigate info on the other bow styles....,, the painting of decoration on the bows are very strainfull, mainly the eyes,, .... again thanks to all....... james