Thanks for reading the post!! I actually have a specific goal in mind for my 50# elbs, I want to try and beat the 50# broadhead record for simple composite bows with an elb instead of a flatbow. I need to be able to shoot a 500 grain arrow at or very near 180 fps to do this. This particualr bow was very close to that before it chrysaled. About the best I can get from a full arc of the circle tiller is around 168 fps. The outer limb could have bent just a tad more and the inner limb just a tad more and I would have been home free. Most anytime I am trying to max a bow out I allready know the chances of failure are very high. I build almost a bow a day most of the time and about 3/4 of them are right on the edge, when I feel I have settled into something I think is good then I will take my time on one having a pretty good idea where the limits are and what to expect from it in the way of warning signs etc. For me thats where the fun is. I am also always fishing for new recruits to flight shooting, the sport seems to be fading away gradually. A lot of the guys who have been dedicated to it for years are getting older and will soon be retiring, plenty of room for a new generation to come in and set some new records. One of the few sports where you adversary will tell you all his secrets. I think most of us just want to see how far an arrow can actually go regardless of who gets it there. I know when I see some of the elbs that Mark St Louis has been building lately I feel a lot of pride just beeing in the same group, kind of like being on the same team in a way. great sport for some of us odd balls!!! Steve