I don,t want to cause trouble on this thread. Many more important things to do, but that,s been your remarks ,ghetto fix ,making slug bows , garbage canning bows if they wont shoot 175 fps., and it just goes on on with you.Calling Damon Howatt bows Monstrosities, because YOU made it personal with Larry Hatfield.YOU WERE TROLLING LONG BEFORE I EVER GOT ON THESE SITES . Sorry to all you other guys on Primitive that are reading this thread. Your all good guys. One bad apple in every bunch I guess.Pat M or OCR what ever you call yourself you are a real piece of work that seems to know it all no matter who you talk to on here. If my work is ghetto then you should show me all of world class records you have broken with those so called Eastern bows you build.Badger has them, and you question him also.Take some lessons from him or Mark St Louis ,and they will show you how to make world class bows.Over and out.