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Offline beetlebailey1977

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osage stave question????? New pictures
« on: November 27, 2010, 11:00:06 pm »
Ok I have a large osage stave.  I know I can get two bows out of it.  It has wide rings and is very clear.  It is around 7" wide at the back now.  I plan to spilt it again but before I do I am wondering if I can bandsaw the bottom third off and make a bamboo backed bend through the handle bow....a basic d style?  I have a pc. of bamboo that I am wanting to use.  It is around 1 3/8" width.  Thanks for any help.
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Re: osage stave question?????
« Reply #1 on: November 28, 2010, 06:35:52 am »
Is the stave deep enough to take an "inside" split (a split from the top of the vee) ? Just another option. Bob
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Re: osage stave question?????
« Reply #2 on: November 28, 2010, 11:21:24 am »
follow the rings down the sides of the stave, if they roller coaster very you you will need thickness for the top pieces. just dont get greedy and end up with nothing.
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Re: osage stave question?????
« Reply #3 on: November 28, 2010, 01:20:25 pm »
Before reducing log splits much more than that, I like to find out first how many bows are potentially in a stave.  To do that, I take off all the bark and crudely chase the sapwood/heartwood to 1 or 2 rings above the one I want for the bow back.  Then I use a pencil to trace the the grain down the center of the stave.  Sometimes you'll find your line stays in the center of the log split, which means your original split ran true.  Barring any flaws that you may want to avoid, you may in fact have 2 bows in the log split.  Quite commonly, though, you'll find your pencil line runs diagonally across the log split.  In that case, your original split had some runout and you may only have one bow in the log split.  I like to find that out up front, since I don't want to split again only to create firewood.  Also, my preference to bone out a log split that's only 7" wide is to bandsaw it into 2 staves rather than trying to re-split, since splits (again) don't always run true and trash the perimeter of the stave.  If the log split doesn't have any runout and you lay your lines out and bandsaw carefully, you may even get 3 staves from that split.

Likewise, belly splits are tough to pull off cleanly, unless bandsawed.  Unless the log split is unusually deep and wide at the bottom, I don't even bother with them.  Belly splits get very narrow and the grain often meanders off the stave too much to get a bow from them. 

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Re: osage stave question?????
« Reply #4 on: November 28, 2010, 02:17:16 pm »
Ok I was wrong it is only 4 1/2" to 4 3/4" wide and it is 5" deep to the vee.
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Offline beetlebailey1977

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Re: osage stave question?????
« Reply #5 on: November 28, 2010, 02:42:07 pm »


Here is a photo.
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Re: osage stave question?????
« Reply #6 on: November 28, 2010, 02:59:48 pm »
looks to me like any ring would be a good ring to choose for the bows back

myself,i would try and take a belly stave from it too
it would make for nice bendy handle bow
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Re: osage stave question?????
« Reply #7 on: November 28, 2010, 07:31:57 pm »
Thats what I was thinking....if I bandsaw the bottom off I would violate rings but it won't matter because I plan to back it was bamboo.  Am I correct on this?
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Re: osage stave question?????
« Reply #8 on: November 28, 2010, 08:57:07 pm »
Just remember that  you don't have any spare bow wood on a bottom/sister.  Any weather checking or splitting on the lower part of the stave can render it unusable.  I personally would not cut off a bottom stave on that one unless you plan to make a thin bend through the handle bow with the top/outside stave so you can leave quite a bit of wood underneath.  My personal guideline is that I don't go for a bottom/sister stave unless the top is wide enough to split in half for 2 bows.  Then, I take the bottom one off first, usually splitting from both ends to meet in the middle.  Then, I split the top wider stave in half.  I have ruined perfectly good staves trying to get a sister off them.

Good luck,  That has very nice thick rings.
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Re: osage stave question?????
« Reply #9 on: November 29, 2010, 10:40:33 am »
Thanks for all the help.  I appreciate it. 
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Re: osage stave question?????
« Reply #10 on: November 29, 2010, 10:49:43 am »
If the stave is good and clean,I would put a wedge about 10 rings up from the bottom v and
split.really good chance it will split right along the ring ,all the belly will need is a little clean up,I never cut the belly with a band saw,they split to easy ,especially one with rings like that one.Then take the top down to the first ring and see if it is wide enough to split in half.If you take the belly v off it make the top split much better. :)
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Offline beetlebailey1977

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Re: osage stave question????? New pictures
« Reply #11 on: November 29, 2010, 04:56:24 pm »
  Ok Pappy Thanks for the tip.  I went and spilt off the bottom....looks like a bow there to me too.  I have not spilt the top in half yet.

  Here is a knot on one end......it has a few pin knot also.
  And this is the top of the stave on belly side.
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Re: osage stave question????? New pictures
« Reply #12 on: November 29, 2010, 05:25:22 pm »
Those are some good looking rings. How long are the staves? I was wondering if you could cut below the knot?
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Re: osage stave question????? New pictures
« Reply #13 on: November 29, 2010, 06:10:19 pm »
It is 68" long the knot is about 9" from the end.
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Re: osage stave question????? New pictures
« Reply #14 on: November 29, 2010, 06:37:39 pm »
see i knew there wqas 2 ataves in that piece of wood  ;D
good for you on listening to Pappy,hes knows his shanizzle when it comes to sage  ;)
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