thanks guys, was thinking calif. flatbow when i started this bow but i couldnt get the linse i drawed out to suit me.i realy like the looks of the short wide flipped tip bows of the north west people. anyone interested in the finish it is black analine dye. when you apply it to fresh worked osage it turns the grain lines black but the rest of the wood a forest green color.when under bright sunlight it gives off almost a iredesent look of yellow and green. with a gloss finish it realy pops.