Molle/China experiment.....bow #3 ( 49" elm self bow )

[half eye]

Hey fellas,
      Here's the latest in the "great experiment". The first 2 self bows were Walnut self bows and were symetrical in tiller. The only difference was that #2 had about 5-8 degrees more reflex in the lever fades. The next step for me was this version which has the asymetrical Hunnic influence to see if there was any performance increase.....so here's that bow.
Stats: 49" bow, 50# @ 27" and 53+# @ 28".
     Red Elm, self bow
     upper limb bends more than the lower at brace....evens out somewhat at draw but the bow takes on a "tilted forward" attitude
       in the hand
     Bow draws very smoothly all the way to 28" (no pinch or stack) and is well mannered.
     Has a very little more speed but the cast suffers from the necessary high brace.....but at 20 yards it has plenty of both for
       hunting.

Will start the pic posts with the museum drawing of the original syle, followed by bow #3....then some braced and draw pics of #1 and #2 for comparison. I feel that the style of #1 & 2 are the better design because they are nearly equal in speed, but have better cast and are easier to make and tiller.

Hope ya like the experiment so far.
rich

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[half eye]

Pics of #2 (first) and then #1 (last)

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[Josh]

That's awesome the amount of bend you got in that first one.  Looks great!   

[Del the cat]

Great stuff as always.
Del

[Cacatch]

Nice of you to share your experiments, Rich. I have a Red Elm D bow right now that I'm trying to decide if I like or not. Seems like it shoots slow for the pounds that it pulls. I think it bends too much in the handle.

CP

[LEGIONNAIRE]

Very informative stuf. Your have great talent sir. thx for sharing

[Parnell]

The bend in the first is nearly shocking me, Rich!  Very interesting profile.

[n2huntn]

Love to see your work and gleam the information you share. Outstanding as always.
Thanks,
Jeff

[toomanyknots]

Nice! Looks very fast. We couldn't get a front profile pic, could we?

[bambule]

very nice and very short for that draw 
but the Möllegabet-Style is one of the fastest for selfbows.

I like them.

Greetz
Cord

[ken75]

excellent work as always , im still giving the walnut one hell. very nice full draw, amazing and awesome to see the shorties come full draw and survive !!

[half eye]

Thanks fellas for the encouragement.

Josh@ since I've been using a lot of walnut and red (slippery) elm I've found that both woods will bend a whole lot, without too much set....think hickory would work even better

Parnell@ I believe that the asymetry was for horseback use, much like the Umi. But for ground pounders like me, I think that symetrical bending short to medium bows are better....JMO

Toomany@ will get one of those tomorrow when the sun's up

Bambule@, I agree 100% thats why I'm such a big fan. I believe that I have settled on a "best-form" for my personal bows. Building one now and will have it done in a couple of days. It a basic Mollegabet with the levers bent forward about 10 degrees. ( pre load the string at low brace. Also I found that if you want short bows/full draw it helps to steam defelex the working limbs (about 1 to 1-1/2 inches) but for the Mollegabets above about 50/52 inches it is not necessary....JMO

Thanks Ken, was just to see what if.....decided I'm sticking with symetrical tillers for all my bows


Cacatch,Del, Legionnaire@ Thanks fellas

Jeff@ Thanks buddy

[JBL]

Great work!!!!  The thing that you have caught onto that many of the so called "experts" in Eurasian design is that if the siyahs are long the limb needs to be shorter otherwise you get a slow bow with a pretty large bit of hand shock.  Another thing about the larger siyahs the whole idea of "Asian" bows are only able to achieve higher speeds with a light arrow goes right out the window.  These bows with the bigger siyahs throughout history threw a heavy war/hunting arrow with authority.  Thanks for sharing your work.   BRAVO!!!!

[Thwackaddict]

Excellent dude!!You beat me to the punch on that one!! I got one in the works i think your gonna like.its elm as well.i was wondering if that upper limb would affect cast and apperently so.Good job and cant wait to see what you pop off next!!

[okiecountryboy]

Rich
You continue to amaze me! First, you completely sell me on the molle's and then show me this...Wow...I want a build-a-long!
You need to write that book! Every time you post, I am inspired. Sir...You got the gift...DO NOT STOP!God bless ya Rich.

Thanks for the knowledge

Ron
Molle Freak....or just plaino okie/native american/viking/asian bow lover ....Can't decide what style I love the best AAhh Hell...I love em all!!!!!!!!!!!!!