thanks, I spent at least 48 hours straight in my shop cutting this stuff and just playing with it. It took me about 3 weeks to go through it all. He is going back to his mine next week so I need to visit before he goes. most of this is the middle to low end stuff, now . All of these shapes are free form , np templates to draw your design, you just have to go where the color is, finding out that smaller is better with this stuff