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Re: snake id
« Reply #15 on: August 22, 2010, 07:32:34 pm »
 It look's like a Timber rattler to me. Moccasin's are usually darker
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Re: snake id
« Reply #16 on: August 22, 2010, 07:46:18 pm »
Head shape is a little short and too boxy IMO to be a timber but the patterns sure are close.
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Re: snake id
« Reply #17 on: August 22, 2010, 07:54:02 pm »
Well, does the thing have rattles ;D?
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Re: snake id
« Reply #18 on: August 22, 2010, 08:00:13 pm »
 It's a canebrake, look's like it was smacked with a shovel. :)
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Re: snake id
« Reply #19 on: August 22, 2010, 08:15:12 pm »
The head scales from the nose back have 2 large then 3 then 2.  Timbers/Canebrakes (C.horridus) have many and much smaller scutes on the head.  Here's an example.  http://www.ectotherms.net/gallery/main.php?g2_itemId=1705
 The presence of those large scutes nails it as a cottonmouth
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Re: snake id
« Reply #20 on: August 22, 2010, 08:37:40 pm »
 What's on the tail? ???
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Re: snake id
« Reply #21 on: August 22, 2010, 08:42:35 pm »
 ;) ;D

I think Ken's a pretty smart guy and unless he's just trying to mess with us wouldn't have guessed Moccasin if it had a rattle...Just saying...
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Re: snake id
« Reply #22 on: August 22, 2010, 08:45:55 pm »
Quote from: Irontom on August 21, 2010, 10:41:01 pm
Thats the beauty of North America.  The hot snakes are easily identified by that triangular head shape.  It's the venom glands,  makes the back of there cheeks stick out.  Also the slit pupil vs. a round pupil, but who gets that close to a snake that hasn't already identified it right? 

Remember this only applies to North America.  Anywhere else in the world, all bets are off.  Oh yeah, and Florida too... might be easier to identify what doesn't live there, eh?

you have forgotten about coral snakes, but obviously, dont want to get this thread sidetracked, soooo just wanted to correct you a bit lol

yeah, ide prolly say cottonmouth, makes the most sense
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Re: snake id
« Reply #23 on: August 23, 2010, 12:53:18 am »
sorry it took so long busy day no rattles at all and eddie it was hit by a car just ahead of me yesterday just cut it off the board came out nice.might be able to split it down the middle. i think its a young mocassin that hasnt darkened up yet ive seen a bunch this year that havent turned dark for some reason. their patern really stands out
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« Reply #24 on: August 23, 2010, 09:56:20 am »
Quote from: cowboy on August 22, 2010, 11:23:54 am
Yep, that triangle head and hooded eyes are a dead givaway. but the patterning on the back looks a lot like the non-venomous diamond back water snakes we have around here..

Dont let the triangle head fool you. While pit vipers (Copperheads, rattlers, moccasins) all have a triangle head, a lot of harmless watersnakes do as well.

The give away on a cottonmouth is the dark horizontal band across the eye. I dont care if the snake is old and hardly has any pattern, or if it's a new born that still has a yellow tail (GIVE AWAY FOR A JUVY COPPERHEAD OR COTTONMOUTH!!!!, yellow tip of the tail!!), it will still have the dark horizontal band across the eye.

But yes,  cottonmouth.
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Re: snake id
« Reply #25 on: August 23, 2010, 11:50:35 am »
 That sure is a pretty one. I'd like to have a couple of those.
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Re: snake id
« Reply #26 on: August 23, 2010, 08:32:08 pm »
Quote from: JustinNC on August 23, 2010, 09:56:20 am

Dont let the triangle head fool you. While pit vipers (Copperheads, rattlers, moccasins) all have a triangle head, a lot of harmless watersnakes do as well.

The give away on a cottonmouth is the dark horizontal band across the eye. I dont care if the snake is old and hardly has any pattern, or if it's a new born that still has a yellow tail (GIVE AWAY FOR A JUVY COPPERHEAD OR COTTONMOUTH!!!!, yellow tip of the tail!!), it will still have the dark horizontal band across the eye.

But yes,  cottonmouth.

Would you happen to know the name of a few species or have some pics for us?  I've seen snakes whose patterning made their head look kinda triangular but on closer inspection its just an illusion.  When they get agitated and flatten their heads out it kinda gives that impression too...
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Re: snake id
« Reply #27 on: August 23, 2010, 09:57:31 pm »
Lyre snakes, Northern Water Snakes and narrow headed garter snakes, of course the lyre snake is technically a venomous snake as well but is innocuous to humans.  None of these examples have quite the same bulbous triangular shape but I think illustrate Justin's point.

Western hognose snakes have a very triangular head but can exaggerate it a lot too.  Of course they are also mildly venomous.
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Re: snake id
« Reply #28 on: August 23, 2010, 10:30:27 pm »
That thar be a cotten mouth!  Patten ain't right for a timber (cane brake). There's a Timber rattlers head laying in the road in front of my house in case anybody wants a picture...fresh too ;D
 And before anybody gets their drawers in a wad...I didn't kill it. It was picked up out the road.

  I also has the black line across it's eye.

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Re: snake id
« Reply #29 on: August 23, 2010, 10:48:44 pm »
we have a banded water snake here with a triagular head also ,have to look close to tell its not poisenus,this one is but it came out nice real wide i think i can split it

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