That other guy,was most likely Dick Hamilton.Dick has a piece of archery history as well.It was Dick,who actually Stirred the Interest in Jay to go Primitive.Jay was intrigued,that Dick stayed with the Straight limbed hill style bow, and wood arrows,when all others had gone to the latest greatest recurves of the day and modern high tech arrows.Jay then started on his Regression in archery,or at least thats how most saw it anyway.LOLAnother interesting point,that is little known.Even though Dick is a Die hard Longbow shooter,he is credited by many as the original designer of the Modern compound.Allen may have had the patent,but many say Dick,was the man who drew up the first plans and prints,that anyone had ever seen of a modern C bow.Talk is,that Jay credits Dick as being the toughest SOB he ever hunted with.