I have a neighbor I am making a BBO for and had him over to give the bow a test run. He brought the goldtips to shoots in the long bow as well as his wheel bow arrows for me to weigh. His longbow goldtips weighed 450gr, OK but a little light. The shocker was his wheel bow arrows only weighed 290gr. He is a bright guy (doctor) but thinks speed is everything. He has shot two or three elk with his wheel bow and lost all of them, unrecovered.
He also shot a doe last year with his longbow using 450 gr goldtips and lost her.
I shoot 550gr to 600gr arrows out of my selfbows, get great penetration and quick kills on the deer I shoot.