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Offline Sanford

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Re: Love of Archery
« Reply #15 on: July 31, 2010, 11:10:30 pm »
You know I was thinking a out how you say a compound is a good mAchine, well by definition, an all wooden selfbow is also a machine. It's just the complexity and manufacturing process that differs, though they work on the same concept, which is using stored potential energy to power an arrow. Being a mechanical engineer, I really can appreciate the mechanical advantage of a cam system to help store the energy. But like I said before, I also love woodcraft and the ability to fashion such a device out of wood.
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Re: Love of Archery
« Reply #16 on: August 01, 2010, 12:42:44 am »
That's IT O OUTLAW!
YOU ARE OUT-A-HERE! ;D ;D ;D

JUST KIDDIN!!!! ;D ;) ;D

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Offline JW_Halverson

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Re: Love of Archery
« Reply #17 on: August 03, 2010, 01:31:43 am »
The problem I have is not the compound bows, but in the mentality of not all, but quite enough of the compound shooters.  They are constantly getting this barrage of psychological warfare called Madison Avenue Advertising telling them how inadequate they are with what they have.  They have deepseated insecurities so they get suckered by yet another gadget thinking they just gotta have it because so and so on the Horn Porn channel has it and I wanna be like him.  No independent thought, no critical thinking skills, just meek lamblike follow-the-leader mentality.  And what does Madison Avenue do?  They find names like Rage, X-treme, and so on to bolster their insecurities. 

Is that bad in and of itself?  Not so much.  Really.  We all buy things to make us feel better about ourselves.  I buy wines that have received better reviews because I want to know what is like to taste "better quality" wines. 

What bothers me is that the whole advertising message is that you didn't do good enough hunting last year with that equipment.  The hunter does not look back with love and reverence for that deer that he finally arrowed on the last (or first for that matter) weekend.  Instead, he is demon driven willy-nilly with a look of desperation in his eye to the archery shop to upgradeupgradeupgrade.  No matter what satisfaction he derived from the last year's hunt, his heartless Masters on Madison Avenue denigrate his hunt by telling him what he has is not good enough, he MUST upgrade. 

We in the Primitive circles have those people as well, but just not as many.  We hold what we have killed and are eating now with a reverence similar to the Disciples breaking bread and wine together in celebration.  Before we even made that kill, before we ever walked into the woods that morning or evening, we poured hours of work into the tools.  Eventually we looked at it and said to ourselves, "For what it's worth, it's done.  I made this.  I can hunt with this."  With that comes a satisfaction based on achievement long before we draw that fateful arrow, pick the spot, and exhale the arrow to it's intended mark.  I only wish those that don't understand my words may someday have the chance to take a stave down and work it until the bright new day comes when their hand, wet with their quarry's blood, stains the handlegrip.  And then they too, can see the chains fall from their wrists, free from their tormented pursuit of more betterer upgradeupgradeupgrade.

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    Now to 'scape the serpent's tongue,
    We will make amends ere long;
    Else the Puck a liar call;
    So, good night unto you all.
    Give me your hands, if we be friends,
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Re: Love of Archery
« Reply #18 on: August 03, 2010, 08:14:31 am »
Thought this would be better here. Nothing aginst the others ,but I am a selfbow guy. :) :)
Like Jawgs,it is just who I am and what I do.   :) 
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Offline chasing crow

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Re: Love of Archery
« Reply #19 on: August 03, 2010, 08:36:23 am »
I was given a compound a couple of years back. Never used a bow before. I looked at it a couple of times and just had no interest. About a year later my daughter talked me into buying her an osage bow. Once I shot it with her I was hooked. Many books later and a bit of time on this site along with reading Primitive Archer, and I am in love with the self bow. The history, the feel and the wonderful people involved are quite special. 
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Re: Love of Archery
« Reply #20 on: August 03, 2010, 08:58:34 am »
I shot a compound once, but I didn't inhale..........;D
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« Reply #21 on: August 03, 2010, 09:24:05 am »
 I've owned one compound, a PSE Laser2. I never felt comfortable with it and it was just too heavy. I like making and shooting wooden bows but it's no secret I like my old glass bows too. I like collecting the old Bears and have over 20 glass bows.
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Re: Love of Archery
« Reply #22 on: August 04, 2010, 05:34:46 pm »
JW -

  Beautifully put and I agree with you 100%. I think the commercial poison is what most of us can agree on that we are against.

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Re: Love of Archery
« Reply #23 on: August 05, 2010, 12:40:24 am »
JW, you make some great points. Funny thing is, I've seen the same---and much worse---in the firearm hunting crowd here. Elk is the big thing here. And, before elk season starts, here's these guys out there shooting shoulder-fired howitzers. The native elk here were wiped out with "puny" firearms, probably .30-30s or .44-40s. But now, we've got people here that think an elk cannot be brought down with a .30'06. I was out shooting a Mosin Nagant here one day and here's a guy shooting a 8mm Remington Magnum I think it was. The rounds look like they fell out of the belt chute of a Apache gunship's Chain Gun. And when the guy fired it, the concussion from the blast wave was felt in the next county and reverberated off the Grand Canyon, scaring tourists from California who thought it was the "Big One" and collectively filled their pants---a true mess for the park rangers driving the tour bus they were on. Flying insects died in midair from the concussion. The muzzle flash was tremendous. Russian Strategic Rocket Forces commanders were calling NORAD because their satellites had picked up an ICBM launch, but they weren't aware of any silos in this county. I asked this guy, "Hey, I wasn't aware that the army actually sold one of their Atomic Cannons. I thought they were all in museums." The guy says, no, this is his elk rifle. "Elk rifle?! That thing is overkill for wooly mammoth!" Nope, he says, elk are getting stronger, ya see. He says to me, see, the elk are getting tons of vitamins and hormones and viagra and what-all from our wastewater. They're drinking it. And these are super-elk and they laugh at popguns like the .30'06. Why, even a .300 WinMag is asking for that elk to brush it off, walk over to you, and shove the rifle someplace that burns after delivery of seven fully digested bowls of Ol' Fred's Habanero Chili. I said, "Hmmmm....I sure am glad to know that, because I all I've got is some Mosin Nagants and .303 British SMLEs. I mean, people have only killed bears, wolves, and lions with those rounds. Nothing at all like these elk here, right?" Right, he says, and what's more is you're not a REAL HUNTER (trademark pending) unless you have this rifle. "Really???!!!" Yeah, really. Sez so right there in Super Extreme Elk Blasters Journal magazine. And have you seen this month's issue? Dirk Manly shot a 7 ton elk from over 3 miles away using the new .996 Magnum made by Remchester and firing depleted uranium rounds to get better penetration on that nearly-armor-plate hide.


Wow....I am just not worthy. I am not worthy to walk in the graces of such stellar hunters as grace the covers of Super Extreme Elk Blasters Journal. How can I ever be one of them? Especially on my budget. I heard a .996 Magnum costs nearly the price of a new house. And ammo costs so much, you need to buy a subcaliber device to shoot cheaper .300 WinMag ammo though it to practice. I am not worthy...
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Offline JW_Halverson

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Re: Love of Archery
« Reply #24 on: August 05, 2010, 03:40:46 pm »
I sincerely hope I didn't insult or hurt anyone with my post, especially you, Pappy.  The people on this forum are the people I want to emulate, those that I believe really "get it" when it comes to hunting.  Cacatch summed it up very well when he referred to the "commercial poison" that infects some. 

And Tsalagi, I just read your post to a friend of mine that used to work in the headquarters of the Rocky Mountain Elk Foundation.  I only wish you could have heard the roars of laughter, but then you probably will never have the joy of hearing anything ever again after meeting the SuperHero 8mm Mag shooter at the range.     >:D
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Re: Love of Archery
« Reply #25 on: August 06, 2010, 12:40:23 am »
JW, glad you liked that.  ;D

SuperHero 8mm Mag...I like that. But have you heard of the .778 Mach5? That round is being used by Army Rangers. No, for real, I know this for a fact because I read it in Monster Gunz And Blammo. Ok, yeah, so maybe---just maybeeee---the author of that article was getting a little somethin'-somethin', you know, what they used to call payola with radio shows back in the day. Or as Maxwell Smart would say, "Would ya believe the round will actually achieve orbit if fired at the proper degree?" I also read that this caliber is being considered as the premier elk round for the 21st century. There's at least 256 other super-calibers vying for that honor, but none of them have the deep pockets of BlingBling Firearms, er, I mean to say, they don't have the, ahem, reputation shall we say, of BlingBling Firearms.

The .778 Mach5 was field tested, as the article also says, by the Pakistani secret police. They fired a round at some Taliban fighters holed up in a cave there and it missed. But when the round whizzed by the cave, the speed of it actually sucked them right out of the cave---turned inside out. Now, see, think about how easy it will be to gut an elk when the round turns the animal inside out! The time you'll save will be crucial so you can concentrate on the task much, much, much, much more important than processing the meat: The task of getting that MONSTER RACK to the taxidermist! Priorities, priorities...
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Re: Love of Archery
« Reply #26 on: August 06, 2010, 12:53:27 am »
I have two 30-06's lined up to borrow for the last week of eld season if I can't get it done with my bow or flinter 50. 

I sooooo hope and pray that a dumb, blind, deaf cow elk with a stuffed up nose has a brain fart when I am in stalking through her neighborhood. 
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Re: Love of Archery
« Reply #27 on: August 06, 2010, 01:12:22 am »
What?! JW, are you crazy? Haven't you been reading what I said? You're taking youm life into your hands, risking it needlessly! Those elk will tear you apart, and you with that puny 30'06! Please, someone stop him! This is madness! Please, JW, read the latest issue of Super X-Treme Monster Elk! Especially the article written by Dirk Manly titled "When .50BMG Just Isn't Enough: The Dangers Of Monster Elk". They had to call in for air support on that hunt!!!
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Offline JW_Halverson

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Re: Love of Archery
« Reply #28 on: August 06, 2010, 01:17:33 am »
Bwaaaaaah  waaaahh  Sob*sniffle*sob*  Can't you tell this is nothing but a pathetic cry for help?  I'm threatening to throw myself in front of a vicious cow elk and be torn to ribbons and eaten up! I just can't go on!  Waaaaaah!  *sniff*hic*  *sob*
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Offline Tsalagi

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Re: Love of Archery
« Reply #29 on: August 06, 2010, 02:19:44 am »
Well, JW, we can't all be REAL HUNTERS (trademark pending) like Dirk Manly, the world-renowned extreme elk hunter and hunting magazine writer.  I know I've been exploring my feelings on this one myself. I've had to come to the acceptance that I will never be a Dirk Manly. I have to learn how to be happy in being a "small h" hunter and not an all-caps REAL HUNTER (trademark pending.) I'm considering hypnosis, rolfing, and ear candling as methods of finding an inner chi that will help me to accept myself as a "small-h" hunter. It's tough to live with, knowing you'll never have an entire line of hunting apparal named after you. Or that you'll never have your voice saying "BINGO! I nailed 'im!" installed on peoples' cell phones as a ringtone. But, we can't all be the Britney Spears and Paris Hiltons of the hunting world, now can we?
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