Thanks all, I know 49 1/2 might have been pushing it but i was trying to follow a west coast replica in TBB1 that was close to that length. I had been drawing it 19 inches I believe, at around 40 lbs. I did not chase a ring, it was just straight from under the bark, and I wanted to see if I could get away without backing it. Lesson learned...I might try a selfbow again in it some day but for now I will be backing with rawhide or sinew. I've got some more sitting in the shop, including a piece that is completely clear, although it is all sapwood. I think I might try a long bow with it as I have read it lends itself well to that design. As for now, its on to the hackberry I have split and drying to rough out some bows, might look into a short bow of shagbark hickory that I cut last winter. I'll return to cedar, its just too pretty to pass up, but for awhile I might try some more forgiving woods.
Kip