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Offline NTD

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Ain't breaking em you ain't making em....
« on: October 06, 2009, 10:17:31 pm »
But why'd I break this one???????

I was tillering a red oak D bow and had it at a short brace of 3 inches and pulling to 16 inches when I started hearing pops and cracks.  I looked the bow over and found a small crack on the back about 9 inches from the handle. 

It ended up breaking completely shortly after taking that pic and this is what it looked like.  Any ideas what caused the break?

Here's the Back




And the Belly


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Offline Traxx

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Re: Ain't breaking em you ain't making em....
« Reply #1 on: October 06, 2009, 10:22:56 pm »
Noticeing that you are from Tucson,maybe it got a bit too dry.Us Desert dwellers often have the opposite problem as others on here.

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Re: Ain't breaking em you ain't making em....
« Reply #2 on: October 06, 2009, 10:26:24 pm »
Hmm..didn't actually think of that.  Maybe I should invest in a meter at some point??  I'm at a loss with this one.  I felt I had great taper, no dips, no knots, straight grain...Hmm it'd make me feel much better if I could blame it on the humidity or lack thereof.

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Offline kylerprochaska

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Re: Ain't breaking em you ain't making em....
« Reply #3 on: October 06, 2009, 10:51:10 pm »
I had a red oak board bow do the same thing...got it at low brace pulled it back some heard some pops and there she went....my guess is what Traxx said...too dry

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Re: Ain't breaking em you ain't making em....
« Reply #4 on: October 06, 2009, 11:20:28 pm »
It looks like you're using a quarter grain board.  What does the grain look like on the edges.  Sometimes the grain runs out the back.  Something you can't see  when looking a the back or belly.   Ron
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Offline woodsroamer

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Re: Ain't breaking em you ain't making em....
« Reply #5 on: October 06, 2009, 11:39:34 pm »
Oh, man...does this bring back memories...too many of them. Just had a bow blow up on me a couple of weeks ago. That will wake you up! But like you said, "If you ain't breaking them then you aint making them!!!"  Sooooo true.

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Re: Ain't breaking em you ain't making em....
« Reply #6 on: October 07, 2009, 12:00:31 am »
M-P, you from the great state of Nebraska too??

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Offline NTD

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Re: Ain't breaking em you ain't making em....
« Reply #7 on: October 07, 2009, 12:13:18 am »
Here are some pics of the edge grain.  This was a rift sawn board.


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Re: Ain't breaking em you ain't making em....
« Reply #8 on: October 07, 2009, 01:57:15 am »
The way it broke my vote is with Traxx. Yes I have seen that before.  :'(
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Offline dwardo

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Re: Ain't breaking em you ain't making em....
« Reply #9 on: October 07, 2009, 07:00:56 am »
I wonder if exploding bows can just be down to the fact that we use wood as material  ???

What i am trying to get at is wood is a natural material so we just cant be sure that there arent any tiny faults that will cause a blow no matter what we do.

I suspect its half the reason we love the stuff  ;D

Offline The Gopher

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Re: Ain't breaking em you ain't making em....
« Reply #10 on: October 07, 2009, 09:27:57 am »
i had a white oak board bow break on me a few months ago when tillering. the break looked almost indentical to yours. can't blame mine on low humidity though, summer in MN is pretty darn wet. mine broke as it was nearly finished, i was pulling it back to full draw (not the first time) and it just blew up without warning, i punched myself in the face. it was a little embarassing since i was working on it at the arcery range over my lunch break. It was so loud everyone at the range looked in my direction, all they saw was a guy rubbing his cheek and looking around like what the heck just happened, kinda funny in hindsight.

i agree with dwardo, sometimes wood just does squirrely things.
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Re: Ain't breaking em you ain't making em....
« Reply #11 on: November 10, 2009, 12:57:30 am »
go wide with oak, i find...

aren't you the laburnum guy ??? get happening with the laburnum wood, man, let's see more of those!

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Re: Ain't breaking em you ain't making em....
« Reply #12 on: November 10, 2009, 01:06:05 am »
also...i found that the sooner i could get the bending forces out toward the tips, the better...then i would finish tillering by moving toward the handle

Offline wodpow

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Re: Ain't breaking em you ain't making em....
« Reply #13 on: November 10, 2009, 10:51:01 am »
The only red oak bows that I ever made that didn't break were made from rough cut air dried  lumber. The kiln dried broke like it was mad about something and would fly everywhere.  At times I walk by the lumber rack at Home Depot and want to look but I know better now .That stuff has been bake like a cracker and the binders in the wood have been cooked till there crisp. If someone want to make a oak bow I alway tell them back it, with  silk, burlap, drywall tape, rawhide, ect. my friend put his in a reverse bend and used the old spider wire of his fishing reel put it on with tight bond looked and shoot good that stuff is tough .Ain't broking ain't making sound like it was a statement made for oak self bows

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Re: Ain't breaking em you ain't making em....
« Reply #14 on: November 10, 2009, 01:55:33 pm »
DIdn't read all the posts so I may be repeating. If you are having low moisture problems try a hickory stave it loves the low moisture conditions. Ron
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